publius said:
AztekShine said:
So I'm moveing to a new state in 3 days. And I plan on running a fairly large operation within a month. Weather or not you think I'm going to be pulling tones of gold... Should I just come out and tell the police I'm playing with chems For refineing ,or not?
NOOOooo!! Don't do it! Any thing you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. Tell the police nothing. If they come around ask for a warrant. If they have a warrant, have them wait until you call your lawyer. Say nothing without your lawyer at your side. Do not volunteer anything. The only reason Martha Stewart went to prison was be cause she talked too much. Tell no one what you do.
IMHO oponion this would be the worst thing you could do. This in thier eyes will imediately make you look like like a meth or crack mfg.
You buck up to them and they will come down double hard on you.
You might be visited by your local inspector or fire marsall. Now while you are at a stand off with them waiting for your attourney, they are at your front door getting a warrent to search your premises, and also calling every other gvt. agency they can get involved in this, local, state & federal. You might have one or two inconsipcous vehicles in front of your house.
So now here you are with your attourney and you have held them off for a few hours from gaining access to your premises. You now have 2-5 police cars, fire & ambulance and thier support vehicles, possibly SWAT for explosives and bomb disposal (sincey they know not of what they will be dealing with), HAZMAT disposal, EPA rep's, city inspector's, and by this time it has gone over the police band so possibly 1-4 news media agencies covering the scene. And all of thier yellow, red, white, blue & green light's flashing and your neighbours are all out looking to see what is going on down the street.
They hand you the warrent to search the premises and you look at your attourney and he says good luck there is nothing more I can do to stop them. And then boom just like that you are in cuffs and they are going thru every inch of your property inside and outside. The men in the white suits will pack up and cart away everything thay looks suspisious on the property. And do you think they do this for free :lol: :lol: . Who do you think will pay the cost of this?
You will then see the EPA guy's start with thier list and every once in a while they need some one to make an example out of. Will that be you? How much will thier fines total up to?
Will you be able to refine any more after this or will you have a bull's eye on your back with your hands tied? What message have you sent to them about our industry and wat we do. How will they treat the next guy they run into doing the same thing.
Here is my personal experience.
I have informed the following people of what I am doing. My imediate neigbors, gas man, electrical utility reader, telephone tec's, cable tec's, city inspector's, city police, fireman with the dept.. All these agencies have access to my property at one time or another. And one of my material suppliers because on large loads I have deilvered their so they can unload material with fork lift and then put into my truck. Now most of these people I have known or worked with for the last 25 years or more. Other than that no one knows what I do except a few people from the forum that have been by.
I do all my processing outside. All of the flight's from the local airport go directly over my house. You can see my processing area when you google my address ( or at least you use to).
This winter the neighbors fence that runs parallel to the back of his house blew down, 2 month's ago he had a crew come in and install a new fence. I come home one afternoon after work and the wife tells me that the fence guy came and knocked on the door and said he needed to work on the fence in our back yard and she told him to go ahead but not to mess with anything in the back yard because there were chemicals back there. Didn't think another thought about it.
Now Tuesday 4 weeks ago I get a call. Mr. Barren this is Chief Fire Marshall so and so. We have had a report of chemicals at your location and would like to stop by and talk to you. I said Ok would Thursday morning at 9:00 be ok with you and he said that would be fine. Thursday comes and it is raining, I get a call from the chief and he askes if we can reschedule for Monday morning because of the rain and I said that would be fine, we can set down and I can show you what I do. He said that would be great, and also an EPA rep will be coming to take samples of what you have on the premises. I said thank you and I will see you Monday morning and I hung up the phone :shock: . Now at this point I probably went flush and light headed and shit a brick.
Many of you have seen the photo Chris posted resently with his bucket's, well dude I'm running right there with you on stacks of bucket's :roll: .
So I proceeded to go into high gear and start cleaning everything up with the idea of moving everything off. Now anyone that works with a lot of bukets will tell you when you start something like that it is time consuming condensing solutions. You know the ones you can put together but there is a lot of shuffeling and siphoning to do.
Well Monday rolls around and I call the chief and tell him I have an emergency tat needs to be addressed that day and that I will be tied up on Tues & Wend and can we reschedule for Thursday morning. He said that would be fine. Now I would like to say that I had everything hauled off but I didn't. But I did get everything cleaned up.
Thursday morning the fire marshall and the city inspector come by( the inspector is a friend 8) ). No EPA rep.
. I explain in detail what I am doing with gold and silver. The different phases and steps that take place, the reactions that occour and the products produced in thier different steps of production, and the final products of gold and silver after the processes. The different chemicals that are used and how they are obtained or made, and thier uses outside of what I am using them for in processing PM's. I explained how the byproducts are delt with and the process of neutralizing solutions. I also explained the number of years of experience in using these chemicals because of work related activities. And that this is as hobby that I have persued for the last 3 years. He asked his questions and after we were finished I took him to my processing area and he took photo's of the area. He said you seem to know what you are doing. I see no open containers that are getting rained into and over flowing and causing a hazard. His major comment was that you have too much for a residential area and the MAYOR said to clean it up and get it off the premises. I asked him if it was ok to continue this as a hobby on my property and he said yes just don't have so much stuff here. 8) :mrgreen:
So you see study what you are doing and learn the processes and what they do and thier dangers and be able to explain them when that certain person comes asking.