Gary,
This forum’s primary purpose is teaching the art of precious metals refining in a safe and ethical manner so members can refine their scrap to a .999 state with confidence and repeatability. Beyond that we also discuss other aspects of the refining trade.
What this forum is not about is giving Gary the answers to everything he expects to learn here exactly how he wishes to hear it.
I have read this entire thread as well as all of the other posts you have made here on the forum. You are asking questions and hoping for answers and suggestions from the best this forum has to offer presumably. It seems much of the reason is because you wish to be paid top price for what you are selling and feel some refineries may not have paid you to your satisfaction.
Not that you have been given any bad advice by others, but it is interesting to see you slight 4metals as you did, as he is probably the best individual on this forum to be able to teach you what you wish to learn in order to get fair settlements.
Think about the fact that you have mentioned 2 refineries that you were at the minimum uncomfortable with in your dealings with them. How is it that you wish to determine if you have been treated fairly on a settlement by a refinery, if you yourself are unwilling to learn how to determine your own values before you ship your material?
Now getting to brass tacks for a moment you said to 4metals;
garywolch said:
If your replying to my post I am not buying from the public. If your tired of giving advice then simply don't
This is where you put yourself in a rather compromising position. Let me explain.
Look at all 4metals has given to this forum of his expertise at great expense of his time with no benefit to himself personally. Now tell me what you have given to this forum. Reverse the same question and ask yourself “what has 4metals asked for help with on this forum”, now what have you asked vs. given?
In that light read again what 4metals wrote.
4metals said:
I've come to the conclusion that guys that buy scrap from the public work on a rather large margin. Large enough that adding the hassle of melting and assay isn't worth another few percent.
I'm growing tired of preaching how to know what your scrap is worth, some guys are just happy to get paid and move on. I've never been in that position so it seems alien to me.
Now you may not be buying from the public “personally”, but the margins 4metals was referring to is indicative of your business model “My company is NY Gold Refiners we set up check cashers around the country to add gold buying as a add on to there business”.
It may indeed be in your best interest to get in and out quickly given the expected margins businesses of this type enjoy, as your time may be better spent finding more cash checking stores to bring online, than learning how to determine what you receive from your existing stores and receiving top dollar for it when you sell.
At the end of the day, the reason you received such a detailed post from me is because I take great offense to you asking 4metals to not reply if he is tired of questions like yours. He was giving you sound advice in this thread as well as our other members.
4metals is invaluable to this forum with the help he gives freely to others, and I refuse to let those like you discourage his help. You on the other hand have given nothing, only asked, so you would not be missed.