I know my few too many post as a newbie has probably got me unliked my many. I appoligize. With that being said I have embarked on my 1st Grf recommended refining job. Hopefully Ms. Hoke can help refine my mind. Thank you guys for the opportunity to be a part of this wonderful forum. P.S. I am refining my 1st button as we speak. HCl-Cl. Messages are welcomed.