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hciic

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Post April 7th, 2012, 4:05 am

Before Smb and AFter Smb in Aqua Regia

hi Every Body I need help what to do?
In the aqua Regia process before smb picture and after smb picture in the attachment.
I just check the solution with urea for fizzing but i didn't see any fizzing then i put smb in the solution and i got this what is this Please tell me where i am wrong. I just got this brown color mud.


PLease tell me where i am wrong. I did everything i know the formula of aqua regia PLease i need help what to do.
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Post April 7th, 2012, 4:09 am

Re: Before Smb and AFter Smb in Aqua Regia

Heh! Your question is akin to "how big is a rock?"

Please, when seeking advice, be specific. None of us are mind readers. We have no idea what you've done, or what you've done it with. How can we possibly offer advice when we don't have a clue what you've been doing?

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Post April 7th, 2012, 11:06 am

Re: Before Smb and AFter Smb in Aqua Regia

hciic,
I do not know what you have done, but from the picture, it looks to me you have iron rust, and a copper sulfate solution, and I would guess many toxic metals in the powders.

Whatever you did, it does not look right, was this ore, electronic scrap? It looks like you dissolved everything into aqua regia and precipitated almost everything back out as a toxic sludge.

Depending on how you processed the original material you may not even have any values, in the liquid or in the sludge.

My concern also is do you understand how to treat this toxic waste you now have on your hands?

If you give us more details we may be able to tell you what you did wrong, so you can learn to do it right next time, or point you in a direction where to learn a better proceedure.
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hciic

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Post April 7th, 2012, 1:52 pm

Re: Before Smb and AFter Smb in Aqua Regia

I just used some scrap of mobiles circuits,1ram and cpu and I use nitric acid with distilled water to dissolved everything in the solution else gold partical then i filtered and just get the circuits etc and then again i use the formula of aqua regia and i dissolved everything in the solution i just leave the solution 10 days. Then i just filtered the solution and just get the yellow colour mud and put some urea i ddin't see any fizzing then i put the smb in the yellow mud and i get that brown colour mud. Please tell me where i am wrong thanks
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Post April 7th, 2012, 10:03 pm

Re: Before Smb and AFter Smb in Aqua Regia

hciic,
Hello, this is how I would go from here.

whole circuit boards or parts are not a good idea, not only are there many metals involved, but these parts can have places hard for the acid to reach, and this can mean that not all of the base metals dissolve, and if you did dissolve the valuable metals if there was any remaining metal, inside these parts, it can capture your gold.

stannous chloride is made from tin and HCl, (95% tin solder is what I use, from plumbing supply house), this will test your solution to see if any dissolved gold is in solution, a violet color will indicate gold is dissolved in solution.
For more details, search the forum stannous chloride test. Study, how to make and use it, it is your eyes to see gold in liquid.

If your solution tests positive add a clean piece of copper metal to cement gold as black powder, here we do this only if gold is in liquid.

If solution test negative remove the solution, (do not pour off, or disturb the powders) to a bucket to treat for waste, add iron metal to this bucket, later we will neutralize the acid, remove dangerous metals and dispose of salt.
For more details see dealing with waste in the safety section, to learn to dispose of these toxic waste solutions safely.

To me, in your picture, the rust looking material at the rim of your beaker, and the light blue color of solution makes me suspect Iron dissolved, the light blue resembles copper sulfate solution, I would be somewhat surprised if solution had any gold in it.

The powders, boil in HCL, dilute and rinse till water is clear, let powders settle in hot solution before removing washes or liquids, wash in boiling hot water till no more color.

And then wash in a solution of sodium hydroxide, to help remove chlorides, rinse several more times with water to remove salt water,.

Dry powders, crush to fine powder, we need to heat these powders, red hot, keep them crushed, and stir to let them get air in the heating process, but we do not want to melt them back into metal, just keep them glowing red hot for almost an hour, this will oxidize base metals, and remove traces of chlorides.

Let the powders cool and rinse them with boiling hot water, now I would go back to the step where you used nitric acid and start your process over, use dilute nitric till no more color is removed, any silver or palladium would dissolve in the nitric solution, it can be cemented out of the nitric acid with a clean copper buss bar metal.

Any powder remains after nitric, it could be gold, aqua regia would dissolve it as a yellow solution, use HCl, just add drops of nitric at once, let it react using heat, this way you do not add to much nitric acid to the aqua regia, also ridding the nitric acid works better, I do not recommend Urea, I heat (not boil) solution to evaporate, to a thick solution, add just a few drops of sulfuric acid (this helps if you heat too far, it helps to keep gold from making salts, and it will help to remove lead later), after aqua regia evaporated to thick solution add just a little HCl, not too much just enough to wet solution, evaporate again, HCL to wet again, again evaporate, this last time add 4 times as much water as solution, cover to keep out dirt and let sit overnight (silver and lead powder may appear as white salts, decant (remove solution from powders), now you can precipitate your gold if any with the chemical you would normally use.


Study Hokes book like we discussed, you can also search the forum for more information about what is said here, ask questions of things you do not understand, it is easy to answer a question, sometimes it is a lot of work to find gold in a mess.

If you had un-dissolved metals in the circuit’s boards or materials you first dissolved, your gold can also be trapped in them, and did you save them.


good luck, but do not just count on luck, (also study).
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Post April 8th, 2012, 4:27 am

Re: Before Smb and AFter Smb in Aqua Regia

Before Aqua Regia I dissolved everything I just see a yellow or may say golden colour types of prints on the circuits and some black ics. After Aqua Regia I see every yellow or golden colour of prints etc dissolved in the solution.I know there is gold in the solution but i have problem in refining and how to get the mud of the gold what to put on the solution should i need only smb or something else.however i will just use the stannous chloride to check the solution.I am going to attach some pictures which i get after aqua regia only plastic and some ics on the circuit. Everything else is dissolved what i mentioned gold prints etc.
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Post April 8th, 2012, 4:56 am

Re: Before Smb and AFter Smb in Aqua Regia

Before the aqua Regia and after the nitric acid with distilled water everything dissolved else this gold types of prints in the solution on the whole circuits and some black ics.
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Post April 8th, 2012, 8:04 am

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I am still waiting for reply. PLease guide me little thanks
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Post April 8th, 2012, 9:10 am

Re: Before Smb and AFter Smb in Aqua Regia

butcher wrote:hciic,
Hello, this is how I would go from here.

whole circuit boards or parts are not a good idea, not only are there many metals involved, but these parts can have places hard for the acid to reach, and this can mean that not all of the base metals dissolve, and if you did dissolve the valuable metals if there was any remaining metal, inside these parts, it can capture your gold.

stannous chloride is made from tin and HCl, (95% tin solder is what I use, from plumbing supply house), this will test your solution to see if any dissolved gold is in solution, a violet color will indicate gold is dissolved in solution.
For more details, search the forum stannous chloride test. Study, how to make and use it, it is your eyes to see gold in liquid.

If your solution tests positive add a clean piece of copper metal to cement gold as black powder, here we do this only if gold is in liquid.

If solution test negative remove the solution, (do not pour off, or disturb the powders) to a bucket to treat for waste, add iron metal to this bucket, later we will neutralize the acid, remove dangerous metals and dispose of salt.
For more details see dealing with waste in the safety section, to learn to dispose of these toxic waste solutions safely.

To me, in your picture, the rust looking material at the rim of your beaker, and the light blue color of solution makes me suspect Iron dissolved, the light blue resembles copper sulfate solution, I would be somewhat surprised if solution had any gold in it.

The powders, boil in HCL, dilute and rinse till water is clear, let powders settle in hot solution before removing washes or liquids, wash in boiling hot water till no more color.

And then wash in a solution of sodium hydroxide, to help remove chlorides, rinse several more times with water to remove salt water,.

Dry powders, crush to fine powder, we need to heat these powders, red hot, keep them crushed, and stir to let them get air in the heating process, but we do not want to melt them back into metal, just keep them glowing red hot for almost an hour, this will oxidize base metals, and remove traces of chlorides.

Let the powders cool and rinse them with boiling hot water, now I would go back to the step where you used nitric acid and start your process over, use dilute nitric till no more color is removed, any silver or palladium would dissolve in the nitric solution, it can be cemented out of the nitric acid with a clean copper buss bar metal.

Any powder remains after nitric, it could be gold, aqua regia would dissolve it as a yellow solution, use HCl, just add drops of nitric at once, let it react using heat, this way you do not add to much nitric acid to the aqua regia, also ridding the nitric acid works better, I do not recommend Urea, I heat (not boil) solution to evaporate, to a thick solution, add just a few drops of sulfuric acid (this helps if you heat too far, it helps to keep gold from making salts, and it will help to remove lead later), after aqua regia evaporated to thick solution add just a little HCl, not too much just enough to wet solution, evaporate again, HCL to wet again, again evaporate, this last time add 4 times as much water as solution, cover to keep out dirt and let sit overnight (silver and lead powder may appear as white salts, decant (remove solution from powders), now you can precipitate your gold if any with the chemical you would normally use.


Study Hokes book like we discussed, you can also search the forum for more information about what is said here, ask questions of things you do not understand, it is easy to answer a question, sometimes it is a lot of work to find gold in a mess.

If you had un-dissolved metals in the circuit’s boards or materials you first dissolved, your gold can also be trapped in them, and did you save them.


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