mpact11
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Hello All.
This being my first post I want to start, like most, with a sincere "Thank You" to all the Jedi who donate their time and Knowledge to this site. Without you guys I might have ended up with IShor’s crap, or worse, gone honey badger rogue and rusted my dog’s collar. I think a visionary somewhere saw this as the true use of the internet. Well done. If any of you are ever in KC I would like to buy you a drink.
Ok, I have run a total of 3 sulphuric cells, two of which harvests are shown here. The first ‘Proof of Concept’ run was uneventful with a 2gr bb which was a little dirty but the processes were sound. Need to work on washes before HCL+Cl and after precipitating.
Method and Material:
Sulphuric- Roto from True Value
Power supply – Shumaker 10/30/50 Fast charge Power Boost (12v w/analog amp gauge)
Lead- Plumbers lead from a plumber friend. Didn’t see a box or any sheet as to the make up
Copper- Mat from Lazer Steve
Distilled Water – Wallgreens
The cell was constructed to replicate steve’s.
HCL – Home Depot
Cl – Clorox
Ammonium Hydroxide - 10% True value
Tin powder – lazerSteve
After my first run success I ran a around 3-4 pounds of plated pins and jewelry (random mix)until the cell started shorting and I harvested it (which is the Green flask in the picture).
While that powder settled and was washed I started another cell which I ran all the same item which were the connectors from the chassis of Nortel Centillion 5000 switch/server. It was a modular system with blades which could be swapped. (connectors shown in picture)
I had about a pound of those which totaled ~450 sq in
The deplating would take 1-2 min with the amp gauge going ~15 then quickly going to around 10 and stay there until mostly depleted then it would drop to ~0.
The first anomaly was when I finished the run and the powder would not settle. Which I didn’t find to surprising after seeing the powder in a less viscous solution at the end of washing the first two and wondering how any of it could settle in the sulphuric being as light and ‘talc-y’ as it was… . No big deal, I just washed the whole cell. After washing until not showing blue, I drew off as much water as possible and proceeded to put it into solution . This was done outside with an ambient of 50F. in both cases 100ml HCL and 30ml Clorox were added.
The green flask started reacting quickly. The red flask stayed black. I waited and watched and swirled and green flask stalled and red flask stayed black. So I added ~50ml Hcl and By this time the sun was setting and temps were dropping so I decided to get the hair dryer to help things along. I had not added any more Clorox at that time. But after heating the green flask and not seeing it accept the black powder I decided to add more Clorox. As it were, I added the Clorox to the green flask first because I was heating the red flask with the hair dryer to see if there was any response to the heat. There wasn’t . But when I started adding the 20ml of Clorox it got violent, With rapid bubbles almost over the top of the vessel before I could stop the addition. And then is when I noticed the red. It wasn’t translucent then … it looked like blood . when I added the remainder of the Clorox (~10ml) it had the same response. Within 20 min it was close to the translucence it shows now.
Stannous test is green flask is on Left and Red flask on right
I was very perplexed. Other than the feed stock, all was the same. Which I know allows for innumerable variables, but the batch that should be acting wild is relatively on track, and the control sample is the one with the anomaly. From what I could recall I could not remember any ‘red’ in any process or for that matter any mistake I had read about in posts . With the acceptation of the bright red picture in the handbook which I knew was about palladium. Where I was there was no computer but there was a 1910 full set of Encyclopedia Britannica with an extensive section on Au (is it me or does it seem they dumb those books down nowadays?). And I Quote: ‘when the gold is finely divided as in “purple of cassias” or when it is precipitated from solution the colour (sic) is ruby-red.’
After reading that I felt better, other than it wasn’t being precipitated and it wasn’t supposed to be finely divided it was supposed to be in solution.
(NOTE: The Nortel pins had no solder they were held with compression sockets. Not all were plated on both sides, some –very few- had a shiney silvery coating on one side)
So I had my first post… Feeling like I better complete my due-diligence beforehand I searched several variations of ‘solution turned red’ and found a couple
The ones I didn’t like involved AP and iron from pins and dirty HCL.
Maybe lead or silver in solution
And the one I did like was from Oz –( Re: HCL+CL minimum) about really concentrated HCL+CL solutions where there was 7ozs in 200ml. So I latched on to that one.
Any input would be appreciated. If I am missing something important like: hey now of course you--. Because I might not have.
Wow this is really long. I tried to include the information I notice is missing from the “I messed up the liquidy stuff what’s wrong with it” posts.
Thank you
This being my first post I want to start, like most, with a sincere "Thank You" to all the Jedi who donate their time and Knowledge to this site. Without you guys I might have ended up with IShor’s crap, or worse, gone honey badger rogue and rusted my dog’s collar. I think a visionary somewhere saw this as the true use of the internet. Well done. If any of you are ever in KC I would like to buy you a drink.
Ok, I have run a total of 3 sulphuric cells, two of which harvests are shown here. The first ‘Proof of Concept’ run was uneventful with a 2gr bb which was a little dirty but the processes were sound. Need to work on washes before HCL+Cl and after precipitating.
Method and Material:
Sulphuric- Roto from True Value
Power supply – Shumaker 10/30/50 Fast charge Power Boost (12v w/analog amp gauge)
Lead- Plumbers lead from a plumber friend. Didn’t see a box or any sheet as to the make up
Copper- Mat from Lazer Steve
Distilled Water – Wallgreens
The cell was constructed to replicate steve’s.
HCL – Home Depot
Cl – Clorox
Ammonium Hydroxide - 10% True value
Tin powder – lazerSteve
After my first run success I ran a around 3-4 pounds of plated pins and jewelry (random mix)until the cell started shorting and I harvested it (which is the Green flask in the picture).
While that powder settled and was washed I started another cell which I ran all the same item which were the connectors from the chassis of Nortel Centillion 5000 switch/server. It was a modular system with blades which could be swapped. (connectors shown in picture)
I had about a pound of those which totaled ~450 sq in
The deplating would take 1-2 min with the amp gauge going ~15 then quickly going to around 10 and stay there until mostly depleted then it would drop to ~0.
The first anomaly was when I finished the run and the powder would not settle. Which I didn’t find to surprising after seeing the powder in a less viscous solution at the end of washing the first two and wondering how any of it could settle in the sulphuric being as light and ‘talc-y’ as it was… . No big deal, I just washed the whole cell. After washing until not showing blue, I drew off as much water as possible and proceeded to put it into solution . This was done outside with an ambient of 50F. in both cases 100ml HCL and 30ml Clorox were added.
The green flask started reacting quickly. The red flask stayed black. I waited and watched and swirled and green flask stalled and red flask stayed black. So I added ~50ml Hcl and By this time the sun was setting and temps were dropping so I decided to get the hair dryer to help things along. I had not added any more Clorox at that time. But after heating the green flask and not seeing it accept the black powder I decided to add more Clorox. As it were, I added the Clorox to the green flask first because I was heating the red flask with the hair dryer to see if there was any response to the heat. There wasn’t . But when I started adding the 20ml of Clorox it got violent, With rapid bubbles almost over the top of the vessel before I could stop the addition. And then is when I noticed the red. It wasn’t translucent then … it looked like blood . when I added the remainder of the Clorox (~10ml) it had the same response. Within 20 min it was close to the translucence it shows now.
Stannous test is green flask is on Left and Red flask on right
I was very perplexed. Other than the feed stock, all was the same. Which I know allows for innumerable variables, but the batch that should be acting wild is relatively on track, and the control sample is the one with the anomaly. From what I could recall I could not remember any ‘red’ in any process or for that matter any mistake I had read about in posts . With the acceptation of the bright red picture in the handbook which I knew was about palladium. Where I was there was no computer but there was a 1910 full set of Encyclopedia Britannica with an extensive section on Au (is it me or does it seem they dumb those books down nowadays?). And I Quote: ‘when the gold is finely divided as in “purple of cassias” or when it is precipitated from solution the colour (sic) is ruby-red.’
After reading that I felt better, other than it wasn’t being precipitated and it wasn’t supposed to be finely divided it was supposed to be in solution.
(NOTE: The Nortel pins had no solder they were held with compression sockets. Not all were plated on both sides, some –very few- had a shiney silvery coating on one side)
So I had my first post… Feeling like I better complete my due-diligence beforehand I searched several variations of ‘solution turned red’ and found a couple
The ones I didn’t like involved AP and iron from pins and dirty HCL.
Maybe lead or silver in solution
And the one I did like was from Oz –( Re: HCL+CL minimum) about really concentrated HCL+CL solutions where there was 7ozs in 200ml. So I latched on to that one.
Any input would be appreciated. If I am missing something important like: hey now of course you--. Because I might not have.
Wow this is really long. I tried to include the information I notice is missing from the “I messed up the liquidy stuff what’s wrong with it” posts.
Thank you