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This is my first time posting in this section of the forum, yet I feel it belongs right here.
For those that has gotten to know my user name and for those that have done business with with, hopefully you all can understand what I'm going to get off my chest. This is only to let everyone know (new or old members), that we're suppose to be here to help one another and then other. Period.
I have made a mistake last year by taking on the duty of refining keyboard mylars, and had not returned their silver in the time I said I would. That was my mistake and I'm still sorry about that. But I've seen that it has come to more than just that, or, for that reason alone, I feel others are taking on the "get-em" role.
Let me explain without trying to implement anyone.
a. Since I've been back on the forum, I've posted replies to other peoples' threads, and on some of them, I feel I've been attacked, mainly because of my delay to deliver the silver to others as promised, and not for simply what I posted.
Since I've been back on the forum, I posted that nitric acid IS used to clean gold powder when you're doing the cleaning process of it. I was was told that I need to stop telling people that because they're going to lose their gold. Not true.
Take any amount of gold powder, and then do a boiling wash with either 70% nitric or diluted nitric acid and that gold powder will NOT budge. If it does, then all of that powder was NOT gold. PERIOD. The procedure is even in a thread that is part of a tutorial here... on the forum. Look right here below:
http://goldrefiningforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=7093&start=80#p167168Recovering Black Powder from the Cell Read step 24, in particular. Again, I was told to stop telling people to use nitric acid to wash their gold powder because they'll lose their gold. If you lose gold because you used nitric acid to assist in the washing process, that was gold that wasn't gold. It's as simple as that. I actually washed my gold powder in concentrated nitric acid and it did nothing but make the gold powder turn into a cinnamon brown color. No loss of gold and not color change in the Nitric acid.
But, I've been told to not keep saying that to anyone on the forum because I'm going to cause them to lose their gold. If you believe that, then you do not need to be processing gold. Nitric Acid do NOT dissolve gold, especially at the washing stages of the gold powder.
I just I'm being told that the thread I posted above, the method is FLAWED (step 24). For me, step 24 is what makes my powder turn that light golden brown. I've tried drying my powder without the nitric, and other steps and the gold doesn't have that cinnamon brown. It always dry like instant coffee brown. I trust that method from kadriver and that is why it's still posted at the top of that page in the "Tutorial" section of the forum. Because it's trusted, tried, and very true.
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b. Making verbiage mistakes on the forum has cost me to have a member or few to (in my own opinion) attack me because what I said and didn't say, and not understanding what I meant and didn't mean, and plus I delayed other member's silver.
Example no#1. As stated above, I've been told to stop telling people to use nitric acid to wash their gold powder because they'll lose their gold. Don't believe that hype. Wash your gold with nitric, and if what you have is in fact gold, it'll be there after the wash. If it isn't there, then you never had gold there in the beginning. FACT!!!!
Example no#2. I made a post/reply in a thread about being out in the cold, and I made a mistake of saying the word "SAFE", as far as doing some things indoors. I feel like I was attacked then. I made a suggestion as to "ALTERNATIVE" solutions to use indoors.... not taking into consideration that the more experienced members would say "Yeah, under a fume hood, or well ventilated area". That didn't happen. I was slapped again in the face with the notion that I've been giving BAD and (or) (misleading information) in my post/reply.
Before I get to that, maybe my choice of words were incorrect, but we as family members here are to help one another, not blatantly post a reply that destructs your credibility. We're all here to help one another. If I make a mistake, let me know at least privately, and that way I can correct it. But to shame me in front of others (I know.. it wasn't your intention), but a pm could have made me realize ("Oh wow, let me go and correct that"). Posting things like misinforming people here on this forum directed to me is very serious, because we do a SERIOUS thing here.
But check this out...
Nitric Acid...... There are many, many, many threads here that tell how to use nitric acid and do NOT specifically say "DO NOT USE INDOORS" IF YOU DO, YOU MUST USE A FUME HOOD. OTHERWISE, USE OUTDOORS IN A WELL VENTILATED AREA AWAY FROM HUMANS AND OTHER LIVING BEINGS, INCLUDING PLANTS".
You don't see that posted with EVERY single post from EVERY single long time member here. Why not?
Because each member that has the ability to post and the the knowledge to post something so DANGEROUS, IS ASSUMING you read the "Safety" forum AND have read the "Disposal" Forum. I can name at least 99% of the members that even start a post DO NOT start by saying"
"DO NOT USE INDOORS" IF YOU DO, YOU MUST USE A FUME HOOD. OTHERWISE, USE OUTDOORS IN A WELL VENTILATED AREA AWAY FROM HUMANS AND OTHER LIVING BEINGS, INCLUDING PLANTS".
I have videos of a well respected member doing something that I've been told is DANGEROUS and NOT safe, yet, the videos live on.
Ammonia, bleach, sodium hydroxide, etc. We all deal with one or even more of these chemicals on a DAILY basis, and we're still here. Common sense and due diligence has kept us this far. We use oven cleaners (sodium hydroxide) to clean our ovens... and guess what?... we still put food back in them. We use bleach, ammonia and other chemicals, and sometimes without gloves... guess what? we're still here. I'm NOT saying be stupid. I'm saying to do all you can to be safe.
We're more likely to die from carbon monoxide (vehicle emissions) along with other man made crap at the same level we are to be working with these dangerous chemicals. Aspirins, rubbing alcohol, isopropyl alcohol, Alka Seltza, Epsom Salt, etc... All of these things ARE DANGEROUS. The key is to use them wisely and safely. After that, it's faith that keeps you from the doom of them. Oh... But they're safe to be indoors.... but on the other hand, not not even safe for that use either, even to be used indoors.
I've seen threads of members talking about doing any process and NOT saying in their INTRODUCTION.....
"DO NOT USE INDOORS" IF YOU DO, YOU MUST USE A FUME HOOD. OTHERWISE, USE OUTDOORS IN A WELL VENTILATED AREA AWAY FROM HUMANS AND OTHER LIVING BEINGS, INCLUDING PLANTS".
But even though I've used the word "SAFE" in a thread/reply.... I made the biggest mistake. As I think about it, I should not have used the word "SAFE". I should have said it's safe to use indoors, as long as you have a fume hood, or proper ventilation.
I'll correct my wording whenever I give advice on the forum and I hope I'm helping others.
This is a very dangerous hobby/occupation or whatever you call it. I know that just one(1) mistake, and you're done/finished. I wouldn't want that to happen to anyone here or anywhere. I've learned so much from all of you, and I want to pass it on too, yet, I need and want you all to see me as a friend that made a mistake. At least I made attempts to correct them too. Ask the members!.
Let's help one another at all times, even when you feel like you don't want to. I would do it for you too.
Kevin
For those that has gotten to know my user name and for those that have done business with with, hopefully you all can understand what I'm going to get off my chest. This is only to let everyone know (new or old members), that we're suppose to be here to help one another and then other. Period.
I have made a mistake last year by taking on the duty of refining keyboard mylars, and had not returned their silver in the time I said I would. That was my mistake and I'm still sorry about that. But I've seen that it has come to more than just that, or, for that reason alone, I feel others are taking on the "get-em" role.
Let me explain without trying to implement anyone.
a. Since I've been back on the forum, I've posted replies to other peoples' threads, and on some of them, I feel I've been attacked, mainly because of my delay to deliver the silver to others as promised, and not for simply what I posted.
Since I've been back on the forum, I posted that nitric acid IS used to clean gold powder when you're doing the cleaning process of it. I was was told that I need to stop telling people that because they're going to lose their gold. Not true.
Take any amount of gold powder, and then do a boiling wash with either 70% nitric or diluted nitric acid and that gold powder will NOT budge. If it does, then all of that powder was NOT gold. PERIOD. The procedure is even in a thread that is part of a tutorial here... on the forum. Look right here below:
http://goldrefiningforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=7093&start=80#p167168Recovering Black Powder from the Cell Read step 24, in particular. Again, I was told to stop telling people to use nitric acid to wash their gold powder because they'll lose their gold. If you lose gold because you used nitric acid to assist in the washing process, that was gold that wasn't gold. It's as simple as that. I actually washed my gold powder in concentrated nitric acid and it did nothing but make the gold powder turn into a cinnamon brown color. No loss of gold and not color change in the Nitric acid.
But, I've been told to not keep saying that to anyone on the forum because I'm going to cause them to lose their gold. If you believe that, then you do not need to be processing gold. Nitric Acid do NOT dissolve gold, especially at the washing stages of the gold powder.
I just I'm being told that the thread I posted above, the method is FLAWED (step 24). For me, step 24 is what makes my powder turn that light golden brown. I've tried drying my powder without the nitric, and other steps and the gold doesn't have that cinnamon brown. It always dry like instant coffee brown. I trust that method from kadriver and that is why it's still posted at the top of that page in the "Tutorial" section of the forum. Because it's trusted, tried, and very true.
======================
b. Making verbiage mistakes on the forum has cost me to have a member or few to (in my own opinion) attack me because what I said and didn't say, and not understanding what I meant and didn't mean, and plus I delayed other member's silver.
Example no#1. As stated above, I've been told to stop telling people to use nitric acid to wash their gold powder because they'll lose their gold. Don't believe that hype. Wash your gold with nitric, and if what you have is in fact gold, it'll be there after the wash. If it isn't there, then you never had gold there in the beginning. FACT!!!!
Example no#2. I made a post/reply in a thread about being out in the cold, and I made a mistake of saying the word "SAFE", as far as doing some things indoors. I feel like I was attacked then. I made a suggestion as to "ALTERNATIVE" solutions to use indoors.... not taking into consideration that the more experienced members would say "Yeah, under a fume hood, or well ventilated area". That didn't happen. I was slapped again in the face with the notion that I've been giving BAD and (or) (misleading information) in my post/reply.
Before I get to that, maybe my choice of words were incorrect, but we as family members here are to help one another, not blatantly post a reply that destructs your credibility. We're all here to help one another. If I make a mistake, let me know at least privately, and that way I can correct it. But to shame me in front of others (I know.. it wasn't your intention), but a pm could have made me realize ("Oh wow, let me go and correct that"). Posting things like misinforming people here on this forum directed to me is very serious, because we do a SERIOUS thing here.
But check this out...
Nitric Acid...... There are many, many, many threads here that tell how to use nitric acid and do NOT specifically say "DO NOT USE INDOORS" IF YOU DO, YOU MUST USE A FUME HOOD. OTHERWISE, USE OUTDOORS IN A WELL VENTILATED AREA AWAY FROM HUMANS AND OTHER LIVING BEINGS, INCLUDING PLANTS".
You don't see that posted with EVERY single post from EVERY single long time member here. Why not?
Because each member that has the ability to post and the the knowledge to post something so DANGEROUS, IS ASSUMING you read the "Safety" forum AND have read the "Disposal" Forum. I can name at least 99% of the members that even start a post DO NOT start by saying"
"DO NOT USE INDOORS" IF YOU DO, YOU MUST USE A FUME HOOD. OTHERWISE, USE OUTDOORS IN A WELL VENTILATED AREA AWAY FROM HUMANS AND OTHER LIVING BEINGS, INCLUDING PLANTS".
I have videos of a well respected member doing something that I've been told is DANGEROUS and NOT safe, yet, the videos live on.
Ammonia, bleach, sodium hydroxide, etc. We all deal with one or even more of these chemicals on a DAILY basis, and we're still here. Common sense and due diligence has kept us this far. We use oven cleaners (sodium hydroxide) to clean our ovens... and guess what?... we still put food back in them. We use bleach, ammonia and other chemicals, and sometimes without gloves... guess what? we're still here. I'm NOT saying be stupid. I'm saying to do all you can to be safe.
We're more likely to die from carbon monoxide (vehicle emissions) along with other man made crap at the same level we are to be working with these dangerous chemicals. Aspirins, rubbing alcohol, isopropyl alcohol, Alka Seltza, Epsom Salt, etc... All of these things ARE DANGEROUS. The key is to use them wisely and safely. After that, it's faith that keeps you from the doom of them. Oh... But they're safe to be indoors.... but on the other hand, not not even safe for that use either, even to be used indoors.
I've seen threads of members talking about doing any process and NOT saying in their INTRODUCTION.....
"DO NOT USE INDOORS" IF YOU DO, YOU MUST USE A FUME HOOD. OTHERWISE, USE OUTDOORS IN A WELL VENTILATED AREA AWAY FROM HUMANS AND OTHER LIVING BEINGS, INCLUDING PLANTS".
But even though I've used the word "SAFE" in a thread/reply.... I made the biggest mistake. As I think about it, I should not have used the word "SAFE". I should have said it's safe to use indoors, as long as you have a fume hood, or proper ventilation.
I'll correct my wording whenever I give advice on the forum and I hope I'm helping others.
This is a very dangerous hobby/occupation or whatever you call it. I know that just one(1) mistake, and you're done/finished. I wouldn't want that to happen to anyone here or anywhere. I've learned so much from all of you, and I want to pass it on too, yet, I need and want you all to see me as a friend that made a mistake. At least I made attempts to correct them too. Ask the members!.
Let's help one another at all times, even when you feel like you don't want to. I would do it for you too.
Kevin