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Re: Metallurgy Masters

Post by niks neims » June 29th, 2020, 4:44 am

jimdoc wrote:
June 28th, 2020, 11:08 am
niks neims wrote:
June 28th, 2020, 7:02 am

now I come here for the convenient kitco ticker, mostly :)
There are times that even that ticker can not be trusted.
how so? ...the joke probably flew over my head ;)
I won't be selling any of my physical gold based on that ticker, but seems to me it is accurate enough to gauge the tendencies of PM spot prices; if there is a "+" and a green number under the gold price I feel that my pile of boards have become more valuable, and this has been a productive day for me overall, even if all I did was browse some forums and procrastinate ;) it's all about perception....
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Or his boyfriend.
I wish, though we'd probably fight all the time and there would never be any beer left in the house :(
But I could learn a lot about business side of e-waste from him, he was very stingy about what he would share, but I got the impression that he was very knowledgeable and quite successful at that and one of the few guys on here worth listening regarding business side... if and when he did decide to divulge something worthwhile... too bad he was too much of a sphincter and couldn't get along with authority here, let his ego ruin a good thing and left because of his own damn foolish pride. I cant imagine he's too happy about that currently, I actually think he will come back some day :)

don't mind me, Jmk88, your thread is shite anyways, and will soon be gone along with you, so I'll just use it to work myself through the complex emotions that whole Dave/Jon malarkey left me with, since it ended so abruptly.
I still think Dave was 100% in the right (Dave is always right), but why do I still feel sad that Jon left like that, every time I log on here?.... go figure..., maybe I should've asked him out or sent a d*** or nipple pic when I had a chance ;
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Re: Metallurgy Masters

Post by jimdoc » June 29th, 2020, 11:22 am

niks neims wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 4:44 am
jimdoc wrote:
June 28th, 2020, 11:08 am
niks neims wrote:
June 28th, 2020, 7:02 am

now I come here for the convenient kitco ticker, mostly :)
There are times that even that ticker can not be trusted.
how so? ...the joke probably flew over my head ;)
I won't be selling any of my physical gold based on that ticker, but seems to me it is accurate enough to gauge the tendencies of PM spot prices; if there is a "+" and a green number under the gold price I feel that my pile of boards have become more valuable, and this has been a productive day for me overall, even if all I did was browse some forums and procrastinate ;) it's all about perception....
There are times when you click on that ticker to go to Kitco's site, and the price is very different than what was shown on the forum's ticker. I am not talking about a slight delay either, and it isn't all the time, so you never know when it is wrong. I would trust Kitco's site prices before the forum's ticker.

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Re: Metallurgy Masters

Post by Jmk88 » June 29th, 2020, 11:58 am

Nick..... I have no words. Rare. I applaud you on that.

And with that, have a nice day. I don’t think we need to correspond again.

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Re: Metallurgy Masters

Post by rickzeien » June 29th, 2020, 9:01 pm

What in the heck is this guy contributing to this forum. In one thread he has insulted or ticked off at least 3 of the best contributors on this forum.
If you say black he says white. Nothing but an instigator and not worth keeping him around.

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Re: Metallurgy Masters

Post by Jmk88 » June 30th, 2020, 1:30 am

My main concern is that you have a bunch of like 60+ year old dudes.... obviously feeling very threatened by a man 30 years their junior....

“Remove him for having an opinion that differs to ours”. I would argue this is part of the current downfall of first world civilisation. Conformity appears to be the only voice left in today’s world. Ironically, this is always pushed on by the “golden generation”. The generation that have never known war, just gluttony and excess sports and entertainment.

Your generation has produced nothing but violence on our screens and in our political system, yet your generation has never had a world war or any real contribution to the world beyond nuclear progression. Which has done us wonders.... who’s really the problem, the oppenheimers or the chaps that questions what oppenheimers genius will be used for? I would say in a room full of oppenheimers, the chap would be silenced and removed.

Hence nagasaki and the other two. Silencing voices for no reason is not really something I care to be removed from.

“Ban him, remove him”. Just like anyone that questions the status quo; that’s why Jon never got on. This is reflected all across western society.

You older generation should hang your heads in shame. There’s a reason our forefathers made sure there was a system in place that almost guarantees people with such a mind never get into any position of real power.

You have a “herd” mentality and I’ve not “insulted” anyone.
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Re: Metallurgy Masters

Post by niks neims » June 30th, 2020, 4:16 am

jimdoc wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 11:22 am
There are times when you click on that ticker to go to Kitco's site, and the price is very different than what was shown on the forum's ticker. I am not talking about a slight delay either, and it isn't all the time, so you never know when it is wrong. I would trust Kitco's site prices before the forum's ticker.
I hadn't noticed that; thanks!
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Re: Metallurgy Masters

Post by butcher » June 30th, 2020, 4:56 am

I guess that sums it up what is wrong with me, I am over 60, and I have never started or been in a world war.

Not some young snot-nosed 30 years my junior, full of -- well besides himself, which likes to spend his wasteful life entertaining himself on some chat room internet disrupting a bunch of ole farts educating themselves in a useful art.

With a forum of over 49 thousand members, I guess we will have to deal with a few smart ash snot noses now and then.

Jmk88,
I try to give everyone the benefits of the doubt, but I am beginning to come to the conclusion, You are not here to learn and share with others as much as you are to put another feather in your bonnet, advancing your own ego fighting the establishment like some misguided rebel.



The internet is full of trolls, who gain pleasure from disrupting forums with their misguided agenda's if you noticed they do not last long here on this forum.


If you continue to disrupt the forum, you give us ole farts a hard choice to make, to allow some snot nose to continue to disrupt the forum of ole farts trying to learn, or for them to ban him and justify his ranting.

You are young and have a good chance to learn something from these ole farts, but if you keep up this nonsense you may just lose that opportunity.

I am sure there are things you can teach us ole farts also, but you will also lose that chance if you keep up disrupting the forum.

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Re: Metallurgy Masters

Post by Jmk88 » June 30th, 2020, 7:17 am

You say troll; I say bully’s.

You lot keep whining and I’ll keep making my money. I imagine well all be happy then.

Yea I won’t let new people that genuinely want to share thoughts and ideas be put off By a load of old guys who think they “own” the process and the science. Who in reality answer with a variation of “yea it’s dangerous blah blah blah” to any query any one asks. Probably reflected in your self description as the “establishment”. You aren’t. And never will be.

That’s the beauty. It’s a principle that no mans pen can influence. It’s just your arrogance makes you think you are the establishment.

I can honestly say not one person that’s commented on this thread has helped my technical ability whatsoever.

I reaf Lou, 4metals and the rest when I need real help. Or I message KA. Couldn’t care for one person that’s on this thread to ever speak to me again; on the contrary, other than Lou I wouldn’t want any one to really communicate with me going forwards.
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Re: Metallurgy Masters

Post by butcher » June 30th, 2020, 10:33 am

Due to his continually disrupting of the forum, Jmk88 has been given a month (ban) to think if he wishes to communicate nicely with the ole men of the gold refining forum and learn something from them.

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Re: Metallurgy Masters

Post by jimdoc » June 30th, 2020, 11:36 am

Thank You.

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Re: Metallurgy Masters

Post by galenrog » June 30th, 2020, 1:26 pm

jimdoc wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 11:36 am
Thank You.

You beat me to it.

I do not think Jmk88 is in any way a bad person. Just arrogant and self righteous. Similar to what I was before reality happened.
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Re: Metallurgy Masters

Post by kurtak » July 1st, 2020, 8:24 am

butcher wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 10:33 am
Due to his continually disrupting of the forum, Jmk88 has been given a month (ban) to think if he wishes to communicate nicely with the ole men of the gold refining forum and learn something from them.
Thank you very much butcher - it is truly sad that after coming back from his first banning & apologizing to the forum for what got him banned in the first place that he had to resort back to the same behavior

Maybe - if he comes back - he will become an actual contributing member

Over the years we have seen "some" come back from banning & become "good" contributing members - sadly - all to often they at some point resort back to their disrupting nature --- so guess we will have to wait & see

Anyway - thank you for putting an end to this - we can now get back to the purpose of this forum - which is discussing refining

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Re: Metallurgy Masters

Post by Jmk88 » August 1st, 2020, 1:39 am

Well if you think I’m going to change my ways.....
I’m not.

I’m back but.... and this time I’ve mastered silver.

Every time you ban me I just up my game and learn something new.....

I have at that time, produced 5 200g bars of 99.95 silver cement. And I still think my tv show idea is a good one... haters are going to hate. Ducks are going to quack. Somethings you just accept and roll with it. If you don’t like ducks... don’t visit the pond right?

I maintain my point... anyone other than Lou that has commented on this thread need not contact me going forwards.

Good for you now if you can just refine your childish attitude (butcher edited your CHILDISH COMMENT)

If you can refine your attitude you will be welcome here, if not well then your choice, think about it before saying something else childish.
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Re: Metallurgy Masters

Post by Jmk88 » August 1st, 2020, 3:51 am

I don’t know....

The way it’s going... the next ban I’ll probably learn platinum.

: )
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Re: Metallurgy Masters

Post by butcher » August 1st, 2020, 3:58 am

Why not just become a contributing member here and learn and share what you learn.
You have an opportunity not many have, why blow it to the wind over some foolish ego pride?
Let us stop the nonsense and spend our time learning and sharing.

We do not have time for games.

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Re: Metallurgy Masters

Post by Jmk88 » August 1st, 2020, 7:29 am

I know I’m joking....

We can all have a sense of humour. I’m the first to laugh at myself.

There really is no malice behind me!

Do you like my silver butcher?
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Re: Metallurgy Masters

Post by butcher » August 1st, 2020, 10:15 am

It is hard to tell from just seeing pictures. it could be bread for all I can tell from here.

In any case, I am glad you are learning to recover silver, when it comes to the forum or recovering and refining of the precious metals, I do not joke around, I am glad to see you back, and hopefully we can get past this nonsense and get back down to some serious bussiness of finding and getting and recovering and refining.

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Re: Metallurgy Masters

Post by kurtak » August 1st, 2020, 10:27 am

Jmk88 wrote:
August 1st, 2020, 1:39 am
I’m back ... and this time I’ve mastered silver.

Every time you ban me I just up my game and learn something new.....


Well good for you - Glad to hear that in your time away you have "mastered" something else
I have at that time, produced 5 200g bars of 99.95 silver cement.
So you have managed to produce a kilo of silver (5 200g bars) - which you "claim" is 99.95

I say "claim" because you also said the bars were poured from silver "cement"

Normally/generally when we refer to silver cement it is a reference to a process using copper to "cement" the silver from solution --- this process rarely if ever produces 999 plus silver as this process generally results in at least some copper contamination --- generally speaking - cementing silver will result in silver that runs anywhere from 97 to at best 98.5 - which is then run though a silver cell to produce 99.95 - 99.99 silver

That said - it is possible to produce 99 plus silver by cementing with copper - but - it requires taking "very" specific steps in the process to cement the silver with little or no copper contamination --- &/or you can put the copper contaminated silver cement through some washes to clean it up to 99 plus silver

So - if you used copper to cement your silver - it would be cool if you could tell us how you produced your 99.95 silver bars from your silver cement - did you use "very specific" steps to cement your silver with a purity of 99.95 --- or did you do some washes to the cement to reach a purity of 99.95 --- or did you run it in a cell to reach that purity :?: :?: :?:

So if you cemented the silver with copper - please give us some "details" on how you went from silver cement to 99.95 bars because if you just cemented the silver & then poured the bars it is likely not 99.95 silver

On the other hand - your reference to silver cement could be silver you produced using the salt(or HCl) lye sugar process - which most certainly can produce 999 plus silver - is that the method you used :?:

In other words - tell us more about what you have actually done/learned in you time away --- I am actually interested

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Re: Metallurgy Masters

Post by Jmk88 » August 1st, 2020, 10:33 am

I just cemented with copper and then I washed it all in very dilute sulphuric. Probably about 10% strength.

I then boiled in water washes and let settle before decanting.

I actually read the washing process here.

I haven’t melted it myself but a stone setter has taken 31 grams and he has said it tested at 99.95.

I haven’t melted because I washed my crucibles in dilute sulphuric which destroyed my crucibles.
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Re: Metallurgy Masters

Post by Lou » August 1st, 2020, 11:24 am

I still maintain that a final wash in the filter of Ag cement with borax, nitre, soda ash solution (say 50 g/L borax, 25-50 g/L nitre, 5-10 g Na2CO3) is the best way to clean it up of most everything but gold.
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Re: Metallurgy Masters

Post by kurtak » August 1st, 2020, 11:29 am

Jmk88

I posted my last post before seeing your picture

I am not butcher but I hope you don't mind if I comment & I hope you will take it in the true spirit of trying to help you --- in other words this post is in "no way" meant to be posted with malice &/or disrespect

Whit that said - there is something "very wrong" with the silver in that picture

Two things that "stand out" in that picture - that tells me there is a problem is (1) it is so full of holes it looks like a sponge --- melted silver should be "relatively" smooth - with "maybe" a "few" holes as a result of oxygen being expelled when it is cooled - there are WAY to many holes for it being oxygen expelled during cooling (2) it is VERY gray looking - it should be MUCH more "sliver" in appearance

This is what your melted silver should look like (those are kilo bars)

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Re: Metallurgy Masters

Post by Jmk88 » August 1st, 2020, 11:38 am

Kurt - that is not melted silver. It’s silver cement after washing in a stainless steel bowl and then being bashed out. A jug if you like.

Lou - I have lots of cement and I will apply your advised method.
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Re: Metallurgy Masters

Post by kurtak » August 1st, 2020, 11:52 am

Jmk88 wrote:
August 1st, 2020, 11:38 am
Kurt - that is not melted silver. It’s silver cement after washing in a stainless steel bowl and then being bashed out. A jug if you like.
Ok - that makes more sense - nice "solid" cake of cement in that case :mrgreen:

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Re: Metallurgy Masters

Post by Jmk88 » August 1st, 2020, 12:17 pm

Thanks!

I’m going to apply Lous kind advice after breaking it all up. I also have another jug to bash out.
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Re: Metallurgy Masters

Post by jimdoc » August 8th, 2020, 3:34 pm

niks neims wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 4:16 am
jimdoc wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 11:22 am
There are times when you click on that ticker to go to Kitco's site, and the price is very different than what was shown on the forum's ticker. I am not talking about a slight delay either, and it isn't all the time, so you never know when it is wrong. I would trust Kitco's site prices before the forum's ticker.
I hadn't noticed that; thanks!

Today, right now, it is showing Nov 10, 2019 at 18:20. That's a bit off, time-wise and price-wise.

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Re: Metallurgy Masters

Post by niks neims » August 8th, 2020, 4:00 pm

jimdoc wrote:
August 8th, 2020, 3:34 pm
niks neims wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 4:16 am
jimdoc wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 11:22 am
There are times when you click on that ticker to go to Kitco's site, and the price is very different than what was shown on the forum's ticker. I am not talking about a slight delay either, and it isn't all the time, so you never know when it is wrong. I would trust Kitco's site prices before the forum's ticker.
I hadn't noticed that; thanks!

Today, right now, it is showing Nov 10, 2019 at 18:20. That's a bit off, time-wise and price-wise.
Yeah, 1460 doesn't sound right :)))
Looks like it glitches from time to time
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Re: Metallurgy Masters

Post by galenrog » August 8th, 2020, 4:40 pm

niks neims wrote:
August 8th, 2020, 4:00 pm
jimdoc wrote:
August 8th, 2020, 3:34 pm
niks neims wrote:
June 30th, 2020, 4:16 am
jimdoc wrote:
June 29th, 2020, 11:22 am
There are times when you click on that ticker to go to Kitco's site, and the price is very different than what was shown on the forum's ticker. I am not talking about a slight delay either, and it isn't all the time, so you never know when it is wrong. I would trust Kitco's site prices before the forum's ticker.
I hadn't noticed that; thanks!

Today, right now, it is showing Nov 10, 2019 at 18:20. That's a bit off, time-wise and price-wise.
Yeah, 1460 doesn't sound right :)))
Looks like it glitches from time to time
It is not a ticker.

It is not a glitch.

It is an ad that links to Kitco.

Got to pay the bills.

Time for more coffee.
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