Boiling Sodium Nitrate sollution

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wildbill_hickup

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Quick question. I'm about to try making my first batch of nitric. Based on Lazersteve's recipe and the excellent vedeo produced by another member (sorry I can't remember your name). Can the addition of NaNO3 to H2O and the boiling there-of be safely done indoors? Are there any hazardous vapors produced. I'm am aware of the fact that the sulfuric acid must be added outdoors as those vapors are very harmful.
 
PLEASE KEEP READING!!!!! Especially the safety section!!!! :shock:

I would do NOTHING indoors that had to do with nitric unless it was
under a fume hood!! Some hobbies while enjoyable can be harmful
or lethal!!!!
 
OK, guess it was a stupid question. I went back and viewed goldenchild's video again and can see he is outside the whole time. I thought he was inside for the first part of the procedure. Guess the nitric will have to wait. Thanks for your responce even though my question probably didn't deserve it.
 
Simply doing an acid procedure outside doesn't make it safe......it's only safer than doing it indoors(without a fume hood).
These processes and procedures need to be done in a fume hood,or in a situation where you can control the fumes,not have them aimlessly blown around you.
 
I didn't mean to disrespect you and yet at the same time there
are some things that simply need to be said in a strong way.

I surely would want someone to whack me if I needed to be whacked. 8)

Just be careful - please!
 
A few things to know if you do decide to make your own nitric. EVERYONE who has used nitric here on the forum will tell you that it can be lethal, and some people will still approach it with a cavalier attitude. I am not a pro by any means. I enjoy the science and chemistry. Respect and knowledge of what you are doing is first and foremost the key. Understand and respect the fact that the substance you are making, has the ability to permanently damage and destroy your only body. THEN comes safety for you, your family, and your neighbors, and your neighborhood. You may be in full hasmat gear with a 1500 dollar exhaust system. But if it vents in to the neighbors back yard where his kids play and it is not being respectful or safe. Know what you are creating, and what your intentions are for it BEFORE you begin. This includes making, using, and properly disposing. Down the sink or in the corner of the back yard will not suffice. Some instruction may not be as clear as a Betty Crocker cook book, so do your due diligence. Check out other ways to accomplish what you wish, and ask ask ask if there is any question. If an accident occurs, you will be prepared to handle it with little consequence. Don't be afraid! If you are unsure of the process then you will be unsure of the results.

Sermon Done.

If you must make and use your own nitric... Consider your manufacturing location. If you are near people or pets that wont leave you alone, then I recommend the COLD PROCESS that lazersteve has posted here on the forum Do a search and you can find it. Know that when you do begin to use the Nitric, that it will produce a heavy red could even in "small" batches of processing. This cloud and the other invisible fumes will cause rust like crazy, after all you are making an oxidizer. Make and use this stuff under a good fume hood that vents far from EVERYTHING. Carports/garages, tools and toolboxes, plants animals, and everything else will be destroyed with these fumes. Also, if you have one freezer, DON'T use it. I don't need to mention that the wife and kids wont appreciate it either, do I? Even in a bachelor pad its not worth the risk. If you have a cheap old fridge/freezer, use that. If not, get some bags of ICE, some salt and a cooler to do your freezing.

The HOT PROCESS of distillation can produce a more concentrated batch, but is not at all practical for the neighborhood.

I distill 250ml batches at a time, and I am very pleased with my results. I am able to do this because I have spent the cash on a decent Distilling set up, that includes a hood. My neighbors property line is a good 300 yards away on each side, and when they are outside, I do not use it. When I first began, I used the cabinet in a large carport (with no cars in it) with poor ventilation. I never had any problems with people or animals, but the tool case that I had, and every inch of the carport rusted like crazy. A few gallons of paint and a LOT of work restored the carport, but many of the tools were de-rust proofed, and now need oil every week or so just to keep them from getting rusty.

So Nitric Newbies... Read read read. It can save you hundreds of collateral damage. Show the proper respect and take the proper precautions. It is very rewarding to apply what you learn here. Very few people will take the time to educate and apply what they have learned, and even fewer will be able to do what we do with our hobby.
 
OK folks making nitric is on the back burner (pun intended) for now. It is obvious to me that more education is in order on that subject. Based on all your suggestions and concerns next project on the table is making my self a fume hood. Fortunatly I have 3 acres to work with so chefjosh77 based on your experiance with your garage, it will be built outdoors. It's design is pending more research on construction. I have in the past while making biodiesel got a small accedental wiff of the gas produced when mixing methanol and lye (not fun scared the h*** out of me). The difference here is that with that, the period of time you deal with the deadly gas is very short, short enough that I just used to breath through a mouthpiece in my mouth connected to a 25' garden hose (crude but effective) while the poisonous part was going on. Once mixed with the veg oil it became inert very quickly. I have to remember that with this product it stays deadly. Thanks for reminding of that. So for now back to the books and I'll just keep collecting scrap. Thanks again.
 
FWIW
Another good reason to be VERY careful with use of nitates/nitrites.
http://www.odh.ohio.gov/ASSETS/3D19685391C44EA9909A5937B64B444D/Nitrates.pdf
note that usual means of exposure is ingestion, no mention is made of inhalation, but I'm careful anyway.
 

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