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arthur kierski

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i have a deep purple solution obtained by heating solder tailing with hcl ---i suppose that it might be colloidal gold with tin chloride------ if so, how can i get this colloidal gold out from the solution-- or how can i test for gold ----i cannot test with sncl2 because the solution already contains sncl2
 
Aurthur can you let as much as possible settle, and filter solution?, some thick solutions will settle better if acidity lowered, some seem to settle better diluted, a funnel filter and a wad of fiberglass insulation in neck can prefilter course stuff, How I may treat a solution may depend on its character, if tin is not too much boiling and concentrated acid may help to dissolve the tin better, and help, or sometime cementing with copper and good boil to drive off some water concentrating the acid and then redilut after cool, , I really do not know specifics of your situation, if alot of solder letting sit decanting liquid, and if I have a thick gel solution, that is imposible to filter, (sometimes I will add copper bus bar to get the acids to add some copper to solution, and help to reduce gold), I will concentrate it to thick syrup remove to cool and let crystalize, then I will move this to a brown glass type skillet and raise heat slowly first the crystal salts will turn back to syrup, and bubble off the gasses from my acids, as this slows or stops, I raise the temperature again, untill the powder at high heat is dry, then I will introduce the torch flame, crushing and stirring till I have fine powders all red hot and no gas is released, this roasting in air oxidizes the tin and base metals,
now depending on how much solder to gold I thought I had will usually depend on how I would go from here, (others may go with dilute nitric ), I would go for a Hcl solution full strength, just enough to cover roasted powders, stir well let sit, later I would dilute stir let sit, decanting later, now I would have a chloride powders, alot of the tin would have been in solution I decanted, I would still think maybe some tin in powder, gold, silver, lead, as chlorides of lead and silver are insoluble in water, and my gold should not dissolve in HCL without oxidizers, Now I would seperate as much lead as possible, lead chloride is slightly soluble in boiling hot water, silver and gold will not be soluble, (here I use the same water, boiling hot keep hot while alowing solution to settle, decant portion of hot lead chloride to another jar to cool and crystalize, one this drops its lead I put that same water back into boiling vessel to collect more lead chloride),
once most of lead and tin are gone, I will let settle decant, a wash or two depending on looks of liquids, settle decant and re-incenerate powders, then treat with dilute nitric and so on.
 
thanks butch for the reply-- i will try to concentrate the solution by boiling and then decanting---then i will tell you what happened----perhaps from this point on you will give me some instructions-----butch, do you think that instead of eliminating the tin with hcl ,i would go straight to ar,i would dissolve the gold if present ??
 
arthur kierski said:
thanks butch for the reply-- i will try to concentrate the solution by boiling and then decanting---then i will tell you what happened----perhaps from this point on you will give me some instructions-----butch, do you think that instead of eliminating the tin with hcl ,i would go straight to ar,i would dissolve the gold if present ??

At some point, you're going to have to filter the solution. That will be a horrible ordeal if you don't eliminate tin when it's present. I strongly advise incineration and the HCl wash.

Harold
 
Harold, what if he concentrated this solution he all ready has, and added sulfuric.

Boiling that down (adding sulfuric as needed) until all he has is gold and tin in concentrated sulfuric...?

My thinking is at this point he would have the tin in soltion, and gold on the bottom.
 
Platdigger said:
Harold, what if he concentrated this solution he all ready has, and added sulfuric.

Boiling that down (adding sulfuric as needed) until all he has is gold and tin in concentrated sulfuric...?

My thinking is at this point he would have the tin in soltion, and gold on the bottom.
It's not something I tried, Pd, so I don't think I should comment. The part about boiling down is troubling to me, however. In my experience, it's been desirable to have solutions dilute, so the target material can settle well. In this case, it might prove difficult to separate the solution from the gold, but that's sheer speculation. If you feel it's something that would work, I'd say go for it, at least to see the end results. As long as nothing is discarded, even if it doesn't work, it's easy enough to make a recovery and start over.

Harold
 

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