I've had an exchange with Jon via PM regarding his recent attacks on butcher. He said if he could find some way out of this endless cycle, he would. I sent him the following reply:
I received this PM from Jon today:
OK Jon, I'm asking you to leave the forum openly.
I apologize to the rest of our members who have had to read this.
Dave
FrugalRefiner said:anachronism said:If I could find some way out of this endless cycle I would. Believe me.
That's easy enough. Stop attacking people.
When you were allowed back on the forum you told me you would keep your posts like Deano's. Just factual, helpful information. Obviously that hasn't been the case.
Look at the thread that started this latest shit storm I lost 7g of gold. The OP had some questions. I tried to gather some additional information. He asked about the proper ratio of acids to make AR. I gave a brief answer because I was dealing with trying to repair some damage to my home caused by a recent storm. jarlowski tried to provide some more information on how to deal with his current problem. I agreed that my post wasn't how to clean up his mess but how to proceed in the future. But you decided to single me out about reducing AR to syrup, even though I hadn't given that advice, and you took a shot at Harold, even though he hasn't been here for nearly 4 years. butcher stepped in and the shit storm began.
When I finally had time to split that thread, move the crap to the Debates section and clean up the original thread, you attacked butcher again in Precipitation for newbs. butcher tried to give some rough guidelines on how much acid it takes to dissolve a gram of gold. But instead of reading the parts of his post about using up to 1 ml of nitric, that in most cases that would be an excess, and that there would be a high loss of nitric in off gasses, you had to continue your grudge and ask if he really thinks it takes 1 ml to put a gram of gold into solution.
That's not something Deano would ever do.
So if you really want to end the cycle, do what you said you were going to do. Provide factual, helpful information. Stop attacking people. Stop criticizing the way the moderators do their job on the open forum. Stop carrying grudges.
Your behavior is not at all like Deano's. If it was, the cycle would end.
Now I've given you the courtesy, and a fair amount of my time to tell you how to end the cycle. It's up to you to decide what to do with that advice.
I don't expect a response from you, and I will not respond to you if you do. I'm done.
Dave
I received this PM from Jon today:
anachronism said:You'll still read it.
You think it's mature debate to say "I've said my piece and I won't listen to yours?" Well that's just f***ing (edited to remove Jon's profanity) emotionally immature but hey its the mantra of the liberal left. You silence people who don't agree with you it's what you have done for time immemorial.
The hardest bit is that you personally called Harold out for the way he ignored all the rest of the moderators and went and did his own thing. Yet now you're behaving like him.
Power corrupts you know that right?
Refusing to listen to another's perspective is just childish and demonstrates what a limited man you are.
You're not reading this so I can say what I like but personally I pity your lack of awareness. I also cry that you can't stand by your own morals and you should be ashamed of yourself for failing to see another's point of view as relevant.
You're a fundamentally weak man. I'm not. I can accept my faults and apologise for them. You don't even have that in you.
That given I wish you well quoting wiki chemistry as guidance.
By the way what I have written here is not a patch on the stuff Harold wrote to me, nor a patch on what you and Butcher have said to me on open forum so man up and take it. Alternatively ask me to leave the forum. I'll do it. Just have the balls to do it openly not in PM.
Why do I even suggest that- you don't have what it takes.
OK Jon, I'm asking you to leave the forum openly.
I apologize to the rest of our members who have had to read this.
Dave