seeking refiner for cat material

whocaresduh

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hi there

so short background information about myseld - i do work in the gold / silver refining biz since 2006 in germany, i build myself to one
of germanies top 5 - at least for north germany - i did left germany in 2010 and went to thailand and left my biz to my younger brother
to pursue a venture around the production of jewelry.

however - covid quite messed me over the tourist rate dropped, had to close 2 shops and stand here now back to 0 basically

i do now consider since a few months to get into catalytic conv. biz - either in thailand or in germany, i run into against walls everywhere atm
since in asia but far more in germany the market is based on a few players and BASF, DEGUSSA and co (where i have contacts) pretty much all demand
ammounts of 500kg (metal/ceramic all seperated) which even i would have the option to cash in online 200 converters in germany and in thailand aprox 100 a month
an ammount i will have issues to realize, let allone the capital needed to then buy and keep on buying till i get my cheque back from a refiner.

i do read alot into how big players refine them (arc furnace with zink or even zink silver alloys to capture the pgm's)


so now my question -

i seek someone can offer me to buy realistic ammounts of monolith material of me, at fair prices, i would be ok to stay with that person for years ahead even i will get into
areas of 500kg a month - someone reliable (ill grind the material and analyse it myself with my XRF) i can trust in not end up ripping me off (hard to find in europe, everyone just rips of any newbie on the market
so they can keep on buying existing volumes like they did before the new person went into the market) - someone can accept shippments from overseas (the material i buy in thailand) and someone can realize
me % below kitco makes it posisble for me to not just buy off single converters but also buy off people have larger lots.

im well aware of all the scams from leeching out monolith, to cut it out completly, to fill converters with cements - as someone works 15+ years with gold i seen it all and i know how to prevent me getting scammed
while im buying, but i am realy aware that all the larger guys do buy and refine - or just push in huge lots material to BASF and co are real crooks - i know stories of a few people got messed over pretty hard (send in material for 120k usd and they are told that it hardly worth 50k which isnt true, it was analysed after grinded to 300mesh size, humidity was baked all out etc) i know some of them to take bribes to delete new players from the market so middle man and larger players work together here to mess over anyone new.

i wonder if i can find anyone here can give me reliable places i can work with, people accept shippments from thailand or germany, people can offer rpices of at least 85-90% below kitco, prices not have smelting loss, or insane
processing cost. and places do in fact can help with liquidity as in pre pay some part and then refine and pay balance later on after refining or something alike (thats how i work with gold in germany where my brother who owns the company now push 30kg jewelry a month)

looking forward to hearing from you guys
would be happy to get a private message or if possible we can excahange whatsapp/facebook so we can talk a bit.

best wishes
franky

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whocaresduh

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ah and - i wonder if anyone know if there is options of small scale arc furnace machines at affortable prices, i wonder if it makes sense to process myself
and then ship metals around since that would cut down cargo cost quite alot
 

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I think you may struggle to find a refiner but you may find a fair middleman who will pay on the cats as they are especially if you can provide decent regular amount, once de canned it’s hard to value the powders, an xrf reading will not be that accurate for selling or buying unfortunatel.
 

whocaresduh

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true middle man exist plenty, issue is they will never pay nice ammounts and i would have moral issues to end up pay 40-50% of the value to make my cut since middle man hardly will pay more than 65-75% and you do have quite intense moves on rhodium market (which accounts for majority of the value) so to be save over 2-4 weeks it is a must to pay less than 20% of what you get or you can actually buy and make a loss - dunno -

im all open if one of you guys know a reliable middle man can pay nice

nearby, crf and humidity analysis get you around 1.5-2.0% to the real value (if grinded to at least 250 mesh size)

generally agree with you, a larger middle man might be the option - question is where to find them - i tried, and i couldnt find anyone is willed to pay fair prices or prices makes me capable to compete with others buy over google position online in germany/thailand
 
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