facesfromparadise
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Hey all, let me start by thanking everyone for doing what they do here. I've learned a lot since coming here and I really appreciate all you folks sharing information and looking out for one another. This is truly a beautiful community.
So, down to brass tax. I need a hand, even if its just a link to some literature on the subject (I'm fairly chemistry literate) on precipitating Au from MIBK or 4 methyl 2 pentanone. I came into a bottle of this from my job where they were going to get rid of it since it had been hanging around taking up space for a few years. I've gotten pretty comfortable by now with the more traditional refining methods and so I figured i would try a small experiment with solvent extraction. I had a ~.6g button laying around that had gotten contaminated likely with tin from a dirty melting dish. After some hemming and hawing and research on how to part the two I did manage to find success. Once i felt satisfied with this separation the remaining, very porous and crumbly remains of the button were dissolved in poor mans AR along with a small inclusion of some crumbs of 10k scrap from a separate venture. Once the reaction and dissolution was complete the solution was filtered and denoxxed via evaporation and reconstitution. The resulting solution was green with copper and had a total volume of maybe 70mL. This was placed into sturdy solvent resistant centrifuge tubes and 20mL of MIBK was placed in each (two tubes used as the solution volume exceeded that of the tube) and they were shaken out. I have to say I was really impressed with the separation. The organic phase turned a beautiful yellow color and the aqueous phase remained copper green. A pipette was used to separate the phases and the pregnant organic phases were combined in a third centrifuge tube. A few extra mL of fresh solvent was shaken through the barren aqueous phase to be certain it was completely vacated, it was, and these "rinses" were added to the pregnant solvent.
Now before doing this I searched here and elsewhere and really found only information on BDG. In which oxalic was used as a reducing agent. I also found a post in which Lou and another member (deano? Or noidea? Are these the same person?) discuss SX preferences and MIBK and oxalic as a precipitating agent are brought up there but not in much detail.
I tried using oxalic today and have had no success thus far. To my 45mL of pregnant MIBK I added 10mL of water containing an excess (in relation to a 1:1 ratio with my expected gold) of oxalic acid and shook.there's been nothing happening. I tried gentle heating as well after transferring to a suitable vessel. A darkening of the aqueous phase occurred but so far there's been no visible reaction. Any one have any experience with this stuff? I appreciate the help. This is only a hobby for me and as I've mentioned I did a small test run. So if this doesn't work out its not too big a deal. I would still like the satisfaction of having this work for me however! If only there was mention of this stuff in hoke! its about the only thing she doesn't cover!
So, down to brass tax. I need a hand, even if its just a link to some literature on the subject (I'm fairly chemistry literate) on precipitating Au from MIBK or 4 methyl 2 pentanone. I came into a bottle of this from my job where they were going to get rid of it since it had been hanging around taking up space for a few years. I've gotten pretty comfortable by now with the more traditional refining methods and so I figured i would try a small experiment with solvent extraction. I had a ~.6g button laying around that had gotten contaminated likely with tin from a dirty melting dish. After some hemming and hawing and research on how to part the two I did manage to find success. Once i felt satisfied with this separation the remaining, very porous and crumbly remains of the button were dissolved in poor mans AR along with a small inclusion of some crumbs of 10k scrap from a separate venture. Once the reaction and dissolution was complete the solution was filtered and denoxxed via evaporation and reconstitution. The resulting solution was green with copper and had a total volume of maybe 70mL. This was placed into sturdy solvent resistant centrifuge tubes and 20mL of MIBK was placed in each (two tubes used as the solution volume exceeded that of the tube) and they were shaken out. I have to say I was really impressed with the separation. The organic phase turned a beautiful yellow color and the aqueous phase remained copper green. A pipette was used to separate the phases and the pregnant organic phases were combined in a third centrifuge tube. A few extra mL of fresh solvent was shaken through the barren aqueous phase to be certain it was completely vacated, it was, and these "rinses" were added to the pregnant solvent.
Now before doing this I searched here and elsewhere and really found only information on BDG. In which oxalic was used as a reducing agent. I also found a post in which Lou and another member (deano? Or noidea? Are these the same person?) discuss SX preferences and MIBK and oxalic as a precipitating agent are brought up there but not in much detail.
I tried using oxalic today and have had no success thus far. To my 45mL of pregnant MIBK I added 10mL of water containing an excess (in relation to a 1:1 ratio with my expected gold) of oxalic acid and shook.there's been nothing happening. I tried gentle heating as well after transferring to a suitable vessel. A darkening of the aqueous phase occurred but so far there's been no visible reaction. Any one have any experience with this stuff? I appreciate the help. This is only a hobby for me and as I've mentioned I did a small test run. So if this doesn't work out its not too big a deal. I would still like the satisfaction of having this work for me however! If only there was mention of this stuff in hoke! its about the only thing she doesn't cover!