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Gwar

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Hello ! I have almost completed my batch and am going to make silver shot and run it through a silver cell, what is a good starting point for the Electrolyte mixture?, I have a few pounds of cemented silver I have to rinse and dry, I started with 640 80/20 dimes, the projected amount is 30.00ozt, but my recovery has been LESS than my anticipation on several occasions, at least this time I would like a good chance of .999 silver crystals to make this formidable, I have re-worked my cell and I think it will perform a bit better, any thoughts or comments will be most appreciated, on a side note does anyone have a detailed method of making silver chloride, it seems that some of videos are rather vague as to actual amounts..
 

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If you are recovering silver from a used solution going to waste there is no need for calculation.

You just add small amounts of sodium chloride or HCl ( I prefer HCl ) with stirring till the color shifts from blue to greenish, then you a sure all the silver has converted.

Then let it settle, decant or siphon off the liquid and start your rinses till they are clear.
 
Gwar, i find a good starting point at 150 grams of silver per liter of electrolyte. You can add more if need be as you go on. If your shot is relatively pure the electrolyte can be reused multiple times.
 
Gsracer, ok, so I will use 5ozt to start, how much nitric..?
Depends on conditions and temperature. Meaning if the nitric is reduced only to NO2, or all the way to NO. One electron vs. three electrons. This could make a huge difference.

I would advise to do it like this:
Start with 1:1 ratio (weight of Ag to volume of 65% nitric) - this empirically work for me. Dilute nitric with equal ammount of distilled water, get it on hotplate and heat it until all of the nitric is throughly consumed. It may take several hours to acomplish this. Do not allow the solution to boil as much as you can. Boiling wastes acid. But sometimes it is hard to regulate the hotplate to do the thing as you want it to do :)

Then, decant the pregnant liquid to another container. You know, that in that solution, there is no free nitric. You will most probably end up with some leftover silver. To this add just small volume of nitric (diluted as in previous step) and repeat. It is much quicker to do it like this.

If you consume all of the nitric from the first dose, and add additional nitric into the pregnant solution, it ends up very diluted = reaction with leftover silver, even at boiling point will be much slower.

You can also stop the dissolution after spending the first batch of nitric, wash the remaining leftover silver with distilled water, and substract the undissolved silver from the ammount you started. If it isn´t much, it won´t make such a difference in making electrolyte. You will only make few dozen mL less :)
Or start with more silver, and you satisfy your needs in terms of AgNO3 quantity in one shot.

Personally, I don´t like "precise" shooting the ammount of nitric to just dissolve the silver. Excessive boiling, heating, occupying space in my fumehood... When I am left with just a bit of silver, say like under 20g, I either wash it and add it back to the pile, or crank the ammount of conc. nitric just to dissolve it quickly :) In my situation, I couldn´t have beakers left on the stove overnight.
 
Whew, I'm doing SOMETHING very wrong, 420 Canadian dimes, 80/20 silver ratio, and this is what has been recovered, I doubt there is even 10ozt, (sigh) the show must go on though, live and learn (I hope), I'm going to dry the shot thoroughly and weigh it up for a total, I think my recovery days are at an end if I can't even break even.
The silver cell will eat even more silver..
 

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Whew, I'm doing SOMETHING very wrong, 420 Canadian dimes, 80/20 silver ratio, and this is what has been recovered, I doubt there is even 10ozt, (sigh) the show must go on though, live and learn (I hope), I'm going to dry the shot thoroughly and weigh it up for a total, I think my recovery days are at an end if I can't even break even.
The silver cell will eat even more silver..
Nice thing about refining metals is, you cannot destroy the actual atoms :) There are two possibilities:
1) your silver is left somewhere (in precipitate, undissolved material, some washing solutions, spilled when pouring the powder to crucible, overheated and evaporated with oxy-acetylene torch etc.). Test the solutions that were left with one drop of saturated NaCl and you will clearly see if they contain silver. I think that after dissolution of the coins, you filter the juice and precipitate silver on copper. Make sure that you precipitated all of the silver. Sometimes good portion is locked between fallen silver dust. It need to be stirred when precipitating. At the end, after filtering the cement silver, I always pour some brine to the leftover solution, to scavenge last bits of silver as AgCl.
2)the claimed ammount of silver was not there.
 
I followed the advice of AMS-Pro, Gsracer and orvi, I believe it has paid off, I started with a new anode and while making the electrolyte I added nitric / distilled ratio based on silver content and waited till the nitric was spent, odd though, while filtering the electrolyte I had silver nitrate crystals clog the Buchner funnel.. there is definite growth, not thick but there are crystals sprouting, the power supply is functioning properly, I think I wasn't getting a good connection last time, the cell has been running about an hour now, Thanks guys !!
 

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I followed the advice of AMS-Pro, Gsracer and orvi, I believe it has paid off, I started with a new anode and while making the electrolyte I added nitric / distilled ratio based on silver content and waited till the nitric was spent, odd though, while filtering the electrolyte I had silver nitrate crystals clog the Buchner funnel.. there is definite growth, not thick but there are crystals sprouting, the power supply is functioning properly, I think I wasn't getting a good connection last time, the cell has been running about an hour now, Thanks guys !!
Now that's progress. The numbers on the power supply look great, and the crystals look pretty good. They'll be thin ish for the first 24 hours roughly, then they'll start to get chunky.

I'm so glad you finally got your setup operating like it is, wonderful persistence, you did great.

You're welcome for any knowledge that helped, but you definitely deserve the most credit in using the knowledge obtained to work for you.

Thank you for the pictures.
 
You could always use near boiling water to soften the tube up a little bit. Only soften it enough to get it on all the way.

Other than that, I very much look forward to the progress you make.
 
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