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Jmk88

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Firstly, God bless Beirut and anyone affected.

Allegedly the explosion yesterday was a result of ammonium nitrate.

I personally have other thoughts. Having watched the video.

Serves as a reminder though what can happen if chemical processes and consequences aren’t diligently coordinated.
 
Who thinks that chemicals sleep in their packages and can be left un attended for
long periods -
has a serious mistake!
 
Hmmm... who knows.

My initial thoughts are that was not an accident.

As many specialists have already pointed out... the cause of such a reaction is the key.

Chemicals don’t just explode.
 
dude, I love a good (((theory))) as much as the next guy, but there was a fire, and also officials have admitted that Ammonium nitrate had been left there for a long time, so it's totally plausible & I agree with Lino - can't leave + 2 700 000 kg of a chemical like that unattended....

not the first and not the last ammonium nitrate explosion out there, too bad authorities will make all the wrong conclusions and just use it as an opportunity to crank down on small time chemicals users like us - nitric acid is heavily regulated as is
 
First of all, my condolences to the families of those that did not survive this event and sympathy to all affected by this disaster. :shock:
Lets not jump to conclusions even before any serious investigation has taken place. I know this is a corner of the world that has had more than its share of social unrest and destruction in the past, but accidents can still happen.
Some say it looked like a bomb, well, Ammonium nitrate is also a known explosive besides being a fertilizer.

We tend to learn only from big accidents where unfortunately the work force are often the vicitms.
That's why prevention and learning from accidents across the globe to better protect ourselves is so important.
Lets take our lessons from events like this and do our best to prevent them in the future, or prevent the impact. Proper storage of hazardous substances is not to be taken lightly. No ammonium near your nitric!!

To see how close this storage was to the populated areas, is scary, and the authorities could have learned from other disasters like the one in my country years ago, where a fireworks storage/factory in the middle of a town blew up and killed a lot of people.
We don't allow that anymore.
Someone will be given the blame, most likely not the ones who really are to blame...

Please don't speculate about the ... we're talking about human beings here.

Martijn.
 
It's even worse.

What a shame for the people of Lebanon. Such I had the opportunity to go last summer and visit some family that was getting married but did not take it. What a beautiful country though. Very reminiscent of coastal California.

Our sales rep is based out of Beirut and the photos from his apartment are pretty scary (he was six miles away!).
 
The amount of NOx is what made me think it was AN.

Yes, that would be a lot of acid rain production. Most of the heat took it into the atmosphere.
 
Boiling liquid expanding vapor explosion. BLEVE for short.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_liquid_expanding_vapor_explosion
 
Thanks Lou.

I find it remarkable that it was 1/5 the size of Hiroshima yes the casualty count was significantly less.

I’m amazed anyone in the immediate vicinity survived.

I can’t believe that a group as organised as Hezbollah would just “turn a blind eye” to that type of storage... I think they would rather it be an “accident” also.

The timing of it is also too coincidental... I’m if the Sherlock Holmes school... the universe is rarely so lazy.
 
Not quite Jmk, it was not TNT which is a bit more potent than ANfo I guess.
And it was stored in a warehouse next to the silos, but the silos contained most of Beiruts food grains so the tradegy is going to be reinforced by the lack of grains for food :-(
 
AN x 0,5 = TNT

You use double load when shooting with AN compared to TNT. Still it was a heck of a blast. Unbelevable that not more people died

Edit: to clarify. 2kg of AN equals 1 kg TNT (AN x 0,5 = TNT) You load twice as much AN as TNT to get same effect ( 2AN=1TNT)

Ps Yggdrasil. You did mess up my brain. Is it appropiate to say AN x 2 =TNT? Do not tink so. Think you ment AN = TNT/2 :D :D
 
More like this :D
stella polaris said:
AN x 2 = TNT

You use double load when shooting with AN compared to TNT. Still it was a heck of a blast. Unbelevable that not more people died
or
TNT x 0,5 = AN

From Wikipedia:
--------------------------------------------------density---m/s-------TNT eqvivalent
Ammonium nitrate (AN + <0.5% H2O)-------0.88------2700------0.42
 
Such a tragedy. I am glad a lot of countries have sent help.

I was just curios what was that giant flashing cloud that mushroomed and disappeared?
 
The shockwave was particularly striking. Reminiscent of the nuclear tests in the 40s to 60s. That and the BFRC. :shock:

I can't believe the death toll so far has been so low. I'm sure it will grow, but that was one of the biggest booms I've ever seen. Truly frightening.

It's easy to point fingers and place blame for the lack of foresight in letting thousands of tons of ammonium nitrate to sit in an area like that for many years, but there are soooooo many situations like that around the world just waiting for that perfect storm of circumstances to touch off the fuse.

Dave
 

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