Book Review: "Gold Refining" by George Gajda

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goldsilverpro

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Don't waste your money on this book!!!

I recently saw a bargain (sort of) price on the book and bought it, mainly to give it a second chance. Also, since there is usually at least a little good wheat among the tares, surely there would be a few tidbits I could pick up. Not true in this case. It was a huge mistake and every penny I spent on it was down the drain. Don't ask me why I bought it - it was just one of those impulse, stupid, what-the-hell moments. I read it when it first came out, in 1976, and thought it was very bad. Harold read it also and came to the same conclusion. In fact, Harold and I have been warning people against it since day 1 on the forum.

Some people seem to like it, though. A while back, I was banned from a forum because I bad-mouthed the book. It seems that the forum owner thought it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. On another forum, the owner promoted the book and said everything he needed to know about refining was in that book. All I can say is that anyone that thinks they learned something, by reading this book, must be totally ignorant of how PM refining really works. Anyone that knows anything will not like this book. However, ignorance is bliss.

The first edition of this book came out in 1976. The author's first language was obviously not English and there was probably not one complete sentence in the book. A second edition (the one I have) was published in 1982. Some lady edited it and arranged it a little better. It's, therefore, better than the 1st edition, in that it's more readable. However, I think it's the same old basic text.

George Gajda worked (or consulted) for a jewelry manufacturer located on Hill Street in L.A. They have been out of business for some time. I knew the company well and, in fact, a guy that had once worked there worked for me for several years. They had an in-house refinery. Assuming it's the same company I'm thinking of, I once heard a rumor that they once ripped up the wooden floor, walls, etc., of the refinery and, after incineration, they recovered 300-500 oz of Au from the ash. That says something about their competency. I could be wrong but I think Mr.Gajda was in some management position and I doubt if he ever actually refined an oz of gold in his life. At least, one would surely think that by reading his book.

The book is a collection of bad refining information. It is also confusing, since a lot of the processes seem to be jumbled up and out of order. I would estimate that at least 90% of the info contained in it is either wrong, incomplete, unworkable, or worthless. The other 10% can be found readily on this forum. I won't go into examples of the book's incompetency because it would take too long and I will most likely never open the book again.

I could be wrong but, I believe that the book is out of print - Hallelujah!. I do see it listed used for between $61 and $140.

My summary: It is, by far, the worst book I have ever read on the subject
 
goldsilverpro said:
A while back, I was banned from a forum because I bad-mouthed the book.


You got banned from a forum?? :shock:

Ah, their's hope for us all then! :mrgreen:

Enjoy your day.

Deano
 
I bought the book when it was first released. I was still, relatively speaking, in my infancy of learning to refine, but it was painfully obvious (to me) that this guy knew nothing about refining.
I believe I paid only $10 for my copy, new. It wasn't worth a dime. To this day, I feel like I was *****. It's a damned shame the pages aren't a little softer---so they might be useful in the bathroom.

Chris----you must have lost your mind, at least momentarily, to have bought a copy :!: :roll: :shock:

Harold
 
Harold_V said:
I bought the book when it was first released. I was still, relatively speaking, in my infancy of learning to refine, but it was painfully obvious (to me) that this guy knew nothing about refining.
I believe I paid only $10 for my copy, new. It wasn't worth a dime. To this day, I feel like I was *****. It's a damned shame the pages aren't a little softer---so they might be useful in the bathroom.

Chris----you must have lost your mind, at least momentarily, to have bought a copy :!: :roll: :shock:

Harold

Sometimes if you wrinkle the paper and roll it around several times, it will soften up enough to be comfortable.
 
Claudie said:
Sometimes if you wrinkle the paper and roll it around several times, it will soften up enough to be comfortable.

Hey Claudie - You speaking from experiance or are you trying to look out side of the square. :mrgreen:

Deano
 
goldsilverpro said:
Don't waste your money on this book!!!

However, ignorance is bliss.

My summary: It is, by far, the worst book I have ever read on the subject

As Justin Wilson, Cajun story-teller and comedian, said:
"If Ignorance is Bliss, he was Blissed good!, I ga-ron-TEE!" :p :lol: :lol:
 
Hey Claudie book sells from $61 - $140?
Now just think your return for buying it for $10 originally, sell it for $25 and ya can get more acids.....lol
 
The Thum and Moebius cell diagrams in the book were valuable to me many dozen years ago when there was no internet... amongst other tidbits in the book. I found value in the book. Now please kick me GSP. :lol:

People forget how hard was to get any info on any specific subject 20-30 years ago, never mind on precious metals specifically, specially if you lived in South America or Africa. :shock:

As a newbie I learned much from his "chemical preparation of proof gold", where he detailed several procedures, some useful, some useless, that he recommended. Having said that, Hoke's was a much better and clearer book for gold refining in general. :p

Also in retrospect, his treatment of the different platinum alloys, with different specific procedures according to the metals involved, was right in many respects.

The book is a very disorganized mess, the editor should be shot!. :lol:

This was at a time when to read "The Metallurgy of Gold" from T.K. Rose, you had to either go to the New York public library old book section, or subreptitiously take photographs of the pages you were interested in. (No digital cameras!). 8)
 
HAuCl4 said:
The Thum and Moebius cell diagrams in the book were valuable to me many dozen years ago when there was no internet... amongst other tidbits in the book. I found value in the book. Now please kick me GSP. :lol:

People forget how hard was to get any info on any specific subject 20-30 years ago, never mind on precious metals specifically, specially if you lived in South America or Africa. :shock:

As a newbie I learned much from his "chemical preparation of proof gold", where he detailed several procedures, some useful, some useless, that he recommended. Having said that, Hoke's was a much better and clearer book for gold refining in general. :p

Also in retrospect, his treatment of the different platinum alloys, with different specific procedures according to the metals involved, was right in many respects.

The book is a very disorganized mess, the editor should be shot!. :lol:

All of those diagrams and charts in the book were lifted, without giving credit, from an old mining book. I recognized all of them but can't remember the book(s) they came from. I'm thinking the preparing proof gold section came directly from Scott's.

You're sure right about information not being available in time past. However, that was true no matter what country you were in. I had been refining for about 6 years before I knew Hoke existed. It was out there but very rare. That was way before it was reprinted. In the early 70s, my partner paid $500 for a bound Zerox copy of Hoke ($2185 today, according to an inflation calculator). Zerox had a division that copied and bound old books. It was printed accordion style and each page was double. Besides Hoke, the excellent Rose book was available. There were also a few good old mining books. That was about it. Everything in the business was trade secrets. People today have no idea how lucky they are. We had to scrape for any info we got (and, yes, we walked 5 miles to school in the snow :p ). I think that's one reason we oldtimers have zero tolerance for someone that says, "I woke up this morning and decided I wanted to be a gold refiner. Tell me everything I need to know - immediately" - you know who you are. If it weren't for this forum, everyone would still be in utter darkness. Search and learn.
 
It is clear that all info on that book was lifted from somewhere. Even bromate hydrolysis is in there somewhere, poorly put together with too short of a description. But if you didn't have anything else, and your goals were meek, the book was valuable. My first assays for gold were following what was in that book. I had Hoke's, Gajda's and the photos of T.K. Rose's Miller process descriptions. My goals were gold 996 or better at the time. Nowadays is another story and better sources abound, and are for free. You had better sources, books and teachers, so count yourself lucky. 8)
 
I have to concur with GSP and HAuCl4..... There was virtually no information available 20 -30 years ago, when I started my refinery I did it by watching and learning from my ex boss, I had no knowledge of chemistry,still don't, and it was up to me to learn or fail. I know now that I lost values especially PGMs by not having any idea how to recover them but I still ran a successful business for many years, the members of this forum are very spoilt by the years of trial and error by the senior members and the availability of good written instruction.
Read and read it's an honour and a privilege to have all this information at your finger tips and with support if you really can't understand any point. Take full advantage and learn all you can and help others on the way....this really is the Eldorado of refining for all.
 
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