Hello, a few questions, please say hi.

[Questioning]

Hello all,
I am pleased to be here and very excited about learn what I need to know. I really know nothing about precious metal recovery but I am willing to learn all I can and do what is necessary to learn the science properly and the best method by which to accomplish my goal.

My goal:
I need two troy ounces of gold, one ounce of silver,(which I will buy if need be but would rather just recover it if question 1 below is a yes.) ...Like I said, I have just started looking into gold recovery and purification as I need the gold and silver both as pure as possible...i also need brass purified in a clay furnace, if any know about that or how to do it, simply and cheaply. I can cast all these myself, so that is not an issue.

my simple questions are...

1. Would it even be economically feesible or sensible to buy the chemicals and equipment necessary(we have none)to recover the two troy ounces of gold as compared to the cost of just buy it in bars?

2. Approximately(and i know this is impossible to answer with accuracy but a window based on your experience would be helpful) how much scrape, in boards, connectors, some broken jewlery(10k), cell phones ect..would it take to pull the two troy ounces of gold?

My motivation is high at the moment and I wish to keep the momentum of it going, so please help with a usable response and thanks much!

 

[nickvc]

It would help if we knew where in the world you are as to the availability of the chemicals or substitutes.
The answer to your gold refining question depends on whether you have access to enough scrap to make two ounces and whether you can get it for free or very cheaply. The cost of two ounces at present is roughly $2750 so it's possible if your e scrap is free and your time is not costing you.
The silver might be easier to buy, but in karat scrap silver is often part of the alloy and some e scrap has a silver content so you may get it for free eventually.
The contents of e scrap are not easy to quantify as it changes by year, manufacturer,wear and skill of the refiner in getting all the values and if your going to learn this you have a lot of reading to do.
I suggest you start with looking at lasersteves site where there are videos and various items that help you to refine for sale and also download C.M.Hoke and the forum handbooks both free from steves signature line.
Good luck.

 

[Questioning]

Thanks. I believe I can get enough scrape to make the two ounces if I work hard. Mostly in broken jewelry. I have one year to get the gold, silver, brass and cast them.

I live in the southern United States and that is where I will be trying to get my chemicals if it is cost effective to do it that way. I understand and am experienced in distillation and working with acids, so making nitric acid and getting conc. hydrocloric acid will not be hard for me. And I am familiar with the safety guidelines.

My biggest worry is to waste most of the year and have little to nothing to show for it, but scrape and chemicals. Even if I can pull one troy ounce of gold and buy the other to get the two, would that be worthwhile financially to buy the stuff to do the job?

Just trying not to throw money away if I can, but do not have a lot of time to waste either. It would be quicker, and possible, for me to just buy the gold, but financially strainning to me at this time as well.

Found an ancient recipe that is said to make pure gold out of purified brass, but it requires a sacrifice so forget that. (Though I may post it out here for kicks sometime if I can do so with forum violating any rules, which may be impossible as the recipe is found in religious material.)

So, if it is worth buying the equipment and chemicals, I will do so. If it is cheaper, as I only need two ounces of gold, for me to find the proper chemicals already to go and not have to distill them and buy the distillation equipment I will do that as well.(and for just two ounces it may well be.)

Either way and any way, I must have my goal met by the end of the year.

And yes, reading is a must and fortunately it is one of my main hobbies. I wish to keep this as simple and inexpensive as possible (as I am not planning on doing this except for the purpose of reaching my goal) and still get good results. I am more than willing to be a good student and work very hard on this project, collecting scrape and doing what is necessary to pull the gold.

I know I am a novice and ignorant and perhaps looking at this project with too much of a simple minded.

But if it is possible. I just want to know how to do it right the first time, and with as little expense as possible, to pull atleast two troy ounces of gold properly and most efficiently. I.E. exactly the steps and exactly what chemicals to use. I really am only interested in gold recovery as the other metals I need are not costly, but thought if silver is not to hard to pull without hurting the gold and does not add much to the expense of the recovery making it cheaper to pull than to buy, why not get it too if I can...if not, just pulling the gold will work fine.

Any suggestions are truly appreciated? I will buy a book if it will help me with the bolded above. Like I said, gold is really my main interest at the moment, and really do not care about anything but learning that right now so is there is one on just gold recovery?

 

[nickvc]

To get your 2 ounces you will need around 160grams of 10k and is the easiest way to guarantee you will reach your goal but may be the most expensive if you have to buy the scrap. To refine it you will need the same weight of preferably silver but if this is a one off then you could use copper but it will use more acid. Read C.M.Hoke it gives easy to understand instructions on how to refine this material,it's available as a free download.
With e scrap I can't really help you but if you search the forum theres plenty of posts about types of scrap and yields and methods of refining them, again lasersteves site is a must for these scraps and the forum handbooks are a great free resource.
My advise is to get reading and decide which is the best way for you and the costs to do this once can be relatively small, again read and see how many of our members use cheap to source equipment and reactants even to making your own acids.
No one can tell you which path to choose in this you have to read and learn and then decide which route is the way for you to achieve your aims.

 

[Ocean]

Tell us more about this quest of yours, brother.

 

[Questioning]

Thanks Nick,
You are a very helpful person and much appreciated.

Tell us more about this quest of yours, brother.

Hello Ocean,
It is simple really. If it is not simple then one is not doing it correctly. I do not mind sharing it though some seem not to want me to. Any who try it should atleast see the potential.

Make a wooden rectangle box as deep as it is wide, with a top. Cedar will work fine.

Lay the gold over the box, by beaten but without metal tools, over the box inside and out.

Place and seal lid onto box. Place two poles, as tall as the box is deep on each of the short ends of the box. on top. Knop the tops.

These two are covered with gold. The poles are to have bands that are somewhat wide at the polls and narrow as they come together, touching tips, making two arches touching end to end. The band also is covered with gold.

So now we have one gold covered box with posts on each end holding bands that are touching. A small crown around the top of the box, under but not touching the band is good also.

This is important: The center piece isin the head and shoulders shape of a man without any features on it. No nose, no mouth, no eyes, no ears. It is to be solid gold.

All gold must be pure. Purer the better, anyway.

Four legs of silver columns attached to feet of brass in the shape of a split hoofed animal's hoof. All metals are to be highly polished.

Once grounded properly, there is a technique to that as well...one is ready to go.

Here is the code with the starting current and the finished product with the math to explain it, if one is capable of reading it and understanding. It is simple, done via sound, and is basically capable fo redefining the laws of thermodynamics...so some say. Turning static to 110 volt via sound only, producing excess...can even make matter with the right rhythm, control weather, perpetual energy ect. ect....for real.

(Warning: DO NOT ALTER THE COUNT)

“10onestandin20gstillison30epatternof40theonefirs5 0tcirclemov60ingforthef70irstpatter80nthatmoves90a roundtheo00nefirstpow11eritsownfi22rstlawspur33rin gincons44tantrevolu55tiononenev66erendingco77nnect ingso88undreflect99edharnessi00ngforthefi10rstsour cef09eedingmome08ntumproduc07ingexcessb06yonewithi n05oneofonebu04tnotconsum03edwhenason02ewithinone0 1”

Caution: Do not touch this thing once it is set up. Vibration and sound alone can cause static build up that ''will'' kill you.

When it is ready, sound is all that is needed.

Use pi to determine the gold necessary and the proper distribution of it between the center piece and the rest of it.

According to all sources one will lose 0.5-1.0 grams per ten grams in making and forming it. Many may argue but the sources say, it just vanishes...a lot of legand surrounds that but we will save it for now.

Like if you had any amount of gold over like 20 grams one could make a small one.

like if it were a troy ounce, just 31.1 divided by pi gives the covering gold, then when that is then subtracted from the overall weight and one has the center piece weight.

It seems easier, in mind, to make the center piece first, the build the box and post and bands to fit around it proportionately. The shoulders of the center should touch the posts on the sides and the top part of the center, the bulb or head, is above the bands and everything else, with the bands not touching the center piece but coming up to the neck of it, out about he distance of the forearm of the center piece if it had one. The touching point, of the band as wide as his hand would be.

Please, before insulting, you should try it. It will show you something.

 

[Ocean]

Interesting post!

Can you do me a favor. I'm a little dense.

Can you tell me in plain English what you are building and what it is supposed to do?


Thanks!

 

[Anonymous]

Dear questioning,
Anyone on here will be more than happy to help you obtain the materials you need.However I know your common sense has to be kicking in somewhere telling you this will never work.You just simply cannot create something out of materials that are unable to produce it.If you want to try it simply to prove that it will not work,then I understand.But if you are honestly thinking that it will,then you need to stop.....step back ......and look at it again.Some of the heaviest "holy rollers" on earth would tell you it won't work.
I need to "gently" add this......DO NOT discuss this item on the forum.It will be the fastest way to get you reprimanded or possibly banned.I am not "scoffing" at what you are trying to do,personally I think it is nuts,but you will violate rules of the forum and most likely piss off quite a few people on here.....people that are friends of mine.You have every right to discuss it in private messages,however you cannot attempt to "recruit" anyone without them asking first.This is discussed in the rules of the board, and in the board policy http://goldrefiningforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=4646#p39904
Again,we will help you get the metals you need,however if I see any post that states what the item is,or what it is made for,I will contact a moderator immediately.Sorry if you think I am sounding like an ***,but look at it like this........if your item works,then I won't be around to "scoff" at it.

 

[goldsilverpro]

In the past, with a few minor exceptions, we have tried to eliminate any alchemical discussions. There are plenty of alchemical sites where you can get involved. We can help you get the gold and silver from scrap but, please refrain from posting anything alchemical.

 

[Harold_V]

(Warning: DO NOT ALTER THE COUNT)

“10onestandin20gstillison30epatternof40theonefirs5 0tcirclemov60ingforthef70irstpatter80nthatmoves90a roundtheo00nefirstpow11eritsownfi22rstlawspur33rin gincons44tantrevolu55tiononenev66erendingco77nnect ingso88undreflect99edharnessi00ngforthefi10rstsour cef09eedingmome08ntumproduc07ingexcessb06yonewithi n05oneofonebu04tnotconsum03edwhenason02ewithinone0 1”

The best warning is this one. Do not post nonsense like this on this forum.

Harold

 

[Questioning]

Ok but it is not alchemy, it is just electrity. Just energy.

I was not trying to recruit anyone, I jsut gave a sincere answer to a question I was asked.

also...


Mic said,
".Sorry if you think I am sounding like an ***,but look at it like this........if your item works,then I won't be around to "scoff" at it."

You will be here I hope. I will not ever hurt anyone for disagreeing with me, if that's what you are insinuating.

I just came here for the metal recovery lesson and answered a question regarding it is all...

I do not need to discuss the whys and really wish to do this thing by myself, and was not sharing for recruitment, just answering, but do not care who tries it on their own . Obviously I cannot go into detail about it, but vibration is not nothing....but a lot of energy from the shaking by sound.

 

[goldsilverpro]

Converting other metals or substances to gold is alchemy. Creating gold is alchemy. Ending up with more gold than you started with is alchemy. With what and how did you say the gold was being produced, again?

By chance, is this for a Christian purpose?

 

[Questioning]

I am not trying to make or produce extra gold. That is not what the point is. I am just trying to learn how to pull gold from scrape and purify it, which i did learn(thanks to nick for hte book reference which i read what i needed to know) and am researching to see if anything more moderen has since developed to make it easier or better.

All I am wanting the gold for is to make an electronic device for electricity purposes, and not from nothing via magic, but from vibration of air via sound.(it "will" work, the math is not flawed.)

No alchemy invovled. But it was not my intentions to upset anyone and as i pointed out, thanks to nick i have found thesource for the answers i was seeking.

i will prolly just buy the gold, but If i was thinking if i can get what I need out the old broken jewelry and get it out cheaply, that kind of sounds like fun and if it saves money over buying it, hey, even better.

But now i know what i came for you can cut off my account, and thanks to all you guys. I hope you acheive all you reach for, no hard feelings i hope.

Jim S.

 

[goldsilverpro]

Whatever. Bye.

Am I the only one that saw some alchemy in his posts?

 

[Barren Realms 007]

Whatever. Bye.

Am I the only one that saw some alchemy in his posts?

I feel this staement from him in his first post says it all.

i also need brass purified in a clay furnace

 

[Harold_V]

Am I the only one that saw some alchemy in his posts?

Are you kidding me?
When is the last time you encountered a person with a scientific mind that would post such nonsense as this:

Make a wooden rectangle box as deep as it is wide, with a top. Cedar will work fine.

Lay the gold over the box, by beaten but without metal tools, over the box inside and out.

Place and seal lid onto box. Place two poles, as tall as the box is deep on each of the short ends of the box. on top. Knop the tops.

These two are covered with gold. The poles are to have bands that are somewhat wide at the polls and narrow as they come together, touching tips, making two arches touching end to end. The band also is covered with gold.

So now we have one gold covered box with posts on each end holding bands that are touching. A small crown around the top of the box, under but not touching the band is good also.

This is important: The center piece isin the head and shoulders shape of a man without any features on it. No nose, no mouth, no eyes, no ears. It is to be solid gold.

All gold must be pure. Purer the better, anyway.

Four legs of silver columns attached to feet of brass in the shape of a split hoofed animal's hoof. All metals are to be highly polished.

Once grounded properly, there is a technique to that as well...one is ready to go.

Here is the code with the starting current and the finished product with the math to explain it, if one is capable of reading it and understanding. It is simple, done via sound, and is basically capable fo redefining the laws of thermodynamics...so some say. Turning static to 110 volt via sound only, producing excess...can even make matter with the right rhythm, control weather, perpetual energy ect. ect....for real.

(Warning: DO NOT ALTER THE COUNT)

“10onestandin20gstillison30epatternof40theonefirs5 0tcirclemov60ingforthef70irstpatter80nthatmoves90a roundtheo00nefirstpow11eritsownfi22rstlawspur33rin gincons44tantrevolu55tiononenev66erendingco77nnect ingso88undreflect99edharnessi00ngforthefi10rstsour cef09eedingmome08ntumproduc07ingexcessb06yonewithi n05oneofonebu04tnotconsum03edwhenason02ewithinone0 1”

I don't mean to be rude, but we can't allow things of this nature to clutter the board. We are men of science, not witchcraft. No rational person would begin to see this gibberish as anything but alchemy or witchcraft. I subscribe to neither, and see no need for it on this forum.

There are already objects that convert motion to electricity and electricity to sound-----they are commonly known as generators and or alternators, and those mystifying sound machines are commonly known as speakers. No magic countdown required.

Questioning---we mean you no harm, but I must insist that you use this forum as it's intended---for the promotion of the recovery and refinement of precious metals.

And, for your future endeavors, the word you should be using is scrap, not scrape. They are not the same thing. Please take note, also, that ect is not a word, nor is it a contraction of words. It means nothing.

Harold

 

[jimdoc]

If there ever was a whole topic that should be deleted,I vote for this one.

Jim

 

[Ocean]

I'm a bit fascinated by this lunacy.

Is the moon full?

(Luna-cy)

 

[shyknee]

What a total waste of our time.

 

[joem]

comments removed by me
OK I'm done
go ahead and delete this thread please