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Nervin

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Hey everyone,

I have actually been a member for a long time but I joined to help my father. Since then I have had waaaay too many medical issues and had to let him do his own research and now that I have had my (hopefully final) surgical procedure I have decided to expand on the small amount I learned and expand on. This is definitely something I haven't taken lightly though "I have definitely read the warnings in the noob sections" but I figure it can'e be any more dangerous than making fireworks. My thing is that when it comes to reading anymore I just don't have the focus and even in college I was a visual and hands on learner. I guess it will be interesting to see how this all turns out.
 
I did forget to include that I was a placer miner and I once trusted someone to refine some of the gold and it went really bad but it was a lesson well learned.

Ken- I am in Smyrna...
 
Nervin said:
My thing is that when it comes to reading anymore I just don't have the focus and even in college I was a visual and hands on learner. I guess it will be interesting to see how this all turns out.
Exactly why you should follow my admonition to read Hoke's book. Do it while it's in one hand, while the other is busy performing the familiarization experiments she provides. Unless you're brain dead, you'll be fascinated by the results you achieve, and will learn the badly needed basics that will allow you to progress. If you think you can fake it and learn by osmosis, it won't happen, and you'll have no end to questions.

No one has a lower attention span than I have. No one. Yet I was able to learn to refine from Hoke's book.

Harold
 
Harold_V said:
Nervin said:
My thing is that when it comes to reading anymore I just don't have the focus and even in college I was a visual and hands on learner. I guess it will be interesting to see how this all turns out.
Exactly why you should follow my admonition to read Hoke's book. Do it while it's in one hand, while the other is busy performing the familiarization experiments she provides. Unless you're brain dead, you'll be fascinated by the results you achieve, and will learn the badly needed basics that will allow you to progress. If you think you can fake it and learn by osmosis, it won't happen, and you'll have no end to questions.

No one has a lower attention span than I have. No one. Yet I was able to learn to refine from Hoke's book.

Harold

Sometime you kill me Harold! :lol:
 
Learning gold recovery and refining (a very complicated art and science, that involves understanding and skills), would be like learning electronics.

You will not have much luck building a good working stereo radio from a pile of scrap electronic parts without studying to learn the science and art of electronics, working and studying to get the education needed, to understand How a radio works, and how to build one, and how to improve your skills.

Study can be work, but if it is something you are interested in, and truly wish to learn, and you like discovering very valuable useful information, then study is no longer work (or a bad word), but a fun and enjoyable means to an end, to get gold and make it pure in your melting dish.

School can make study a bad word.

I do not go to school to learn recovery and refining, I come to the forum and Hokes book, and dig through a very rich gold mine of available information, to learn and improve my skills at getting gold, and melting it as pure as possible.

I search and dig through the gold mine of useful information to find those precious nuggets of information, I can use to get that gold and to make it pure gold in my melting dish.


So in a way, I am mining for my education, to get that gold.
So I can consider reading the forum and Hoke's book as mining for information on gold, to get gold.


Anyway you look at it, to get gold you will have to do a lot of work, but if you love the work it becomes fun. Enjoy mining and you barely feel the pains, and seeing that gold in your pan, you will feel no pain as you jump for joy.

Along with this study you have to learn to improve the skills you learn through study and practice.

I do not understand a person who thinks they could learn such a complicated field of work without putting in the effort needed to get the needed that valuable education, and to learn the skills needed, they think gold and the recovery and refining of it, is an easy matter. If they refuse to put out that effort not only will they miss out in an opportunity of learning where to find more of the gold, and how to recover it, and how to refine it.

They would actually be losing gold trying it without an education,or gaining the skills needed through that education.

And with the chemistry involved here they risk their safety and the safety of others, they think they can watch a couple of videos, ask a few questions, or see some one do it and learn that way.

I could watch a pilot fly a jet, but I would not learn to fly that jet that way, I would have to do some study learning to fly the jet, I doubt the pilot could teach me to fly the jet by answering a few of my questions, and if I jump into that jet before I learned to fly, I will most likely hurt myself and others and lose that jet plane in a crash.

If you wish to get gold you will have to work.
Mine for your gold Hoke's book is a great place to begin.
 
While I was in the Navy i worked on some of the older computers that require reading lights in octal and the old AN/YUK was a PAIN to learn but I definitely did. I have already started reading the digital book but right now I don't have any gear to work with (I am on a fixed income from being disabled) and will have to wait until the first of the month to start ordering my lab gear. I am still working on trying to find a good priced place to buy this gear from. Two so far look ok but nothing near the prices Hoke quotes. Heheheh I am assuming that the links for where to get good scrap (Besides lip ripping Ebay) and gear from is at the end. Maybe not but I just treat it like the bottom of a cereal box and wait for a prize.

Back when I first signed up to the forum I was an at home dad and just had the fear in my mind of one of my kids getting into the garage and some how opening my hazmat locker (yes I know highly unlikely but like all parents I am overly paranoid). Now they are in school and I am retired I definitely want to learn this. I learned how to make my own fireworks which is dry chemistry and haven't blown anything up so I am pretty sure I can grasp this. Plus if I can then I can refine and separate the gold and silver and such that I find dredging.

Harold I remember talking to you a while back about this and yes I remember you said you have a short attention span. hehehehehe... I am right there with you. The constant barrage of morphine, oxycontin, ect ect I think has fried my mellon a bit. I use to be able to focus on anything but now that they have finally fixed my back and I no longer need those things anymore I just can't get back to the way I was. Although I have some titanium to practice on they gave me the old hardware that was in my back. hehehehe..

Well time for more searching for lab gear. Fixed Income=every penny counts.
 
The most important thing you need is the education, work on that and the rest will follow suit.

My lab gear would not take much to acquire, some of the basics I use:

I work outside, I built a shed but decided I did not want to mess it up refining in it, so my fume hood sets unused for now, maybe latter.

My lab table, has large fiberglass trays to catch any drip or spill. An electric double burner hot plate, with solid cast iron burners, a couple of corningware pyroceram ceramic dishes (I can do most anything in one of these on a hotplate from incineration (with the help of a small propane torch), to a complete process of scrap karat gold to pure gold powders, with the gold being processed throughout the whole process in the dish, and only in certain steps is the gold removed from the dish before it is done.
https://www.google.com/#q=corningware+pyroceram+ceramic++dishes

Mr. coffee type pyrex coffee pots.

I use canning jars (quart and gallon size) a few smaller jars come in handy, plastic buckets of various sizes from gallon to five gallon.

A few other handy tools mortar and pestals, cast iron and ceramic or rock.
https://www.google.com/#q=mortar+and+pestals
I have several of these ,but also have made some out of a large 3" pipe nipple 12" long with a cap for the mortar, and a 1" pipe 18"long with caps on both ends for the pestal this works good to bust up the CPU's
Heck I have even made a small hammer mill with a dc motor for variable speed, and many other homemade tools from my junk pile.

A suction tool and pippetes.
Glass and fiberglass stir rods.
spot plate or white plastic spoon.
various screens plastic and stainless.
small coffee mug warmer.
crock pot
I use several other things in the lab but these are the basics, I have bought some nice lab-ware but still have it packed in boxes, (I do use a small 50ml beaker to dry my gold in), and a test tube for testing, but most of my professional lab-ware is still unused, I still distill in my home made distilling rigs, I have a nice lab setup but I guess I am saving it for some special project, I would hate to mess it up or get it dirty or break it, it is such a pretty looking thing :lol: .

Basically work on the education first, your lab will come together as you go, you will learn what you need and why, running out and buying lab-ware and chemicals you will spend a lot of money on things, that you will find out later, you will not use, get what you need as you find a real need for it.
 

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Oh believe me I am reading as much as I can. I have been looking for videos to watch (downloadable or streaming) to go along with the reading. I know better than to mess with dangerous chemicals before Learning about them. Just like when I was learning fireworks--the friend that introduced me to making my own tried to get me to just start making Flash powder and whistle powder instead of taking baby steps. I am definitely glad that I didn't jump like that because flash and whistle powder will explode with just pressure. So just throwing the ingredients into a ball mill would have been disastrous.

As far as the gear I am starting with the list that's in Hoke's book. I found a beaker and flask kit that I will probably go ahead and order along with the porcelain casserole. I figure those are hardware that's a must.

Anyone have some suggestions on fume hoods? Unfortunately I can't make one and I don't want anything huge...
 
Cool Thank you for the info. I would like to build a fume hood but that is definitely something beyond me so I will be buying one. I was just wondering what people thought of the one they are currently using and if there is a brand that is pretty good. I have already googled fume hood and took a look at some that are offered; however, if I am going to invest large amounts of money I want to make sure I am getting what I paid for. I am trying to find one that meets the requirements of the book--I already built my bench/table and I have it way in the corner. A nice 4x8 foot bench should be good enough for a hobbyist and I put some good lighting over it so now it's just the fume hood then I am going to start work on the Simplest Case experiments from the book...
 

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