hi!im from malaysia.
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Noxx
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Indeed, Hoke's the best way to start!
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I think you'll find that all of the readers on this forum are very good about providing guidance, but it's up to you to get a basic understanding, so that information they provide will make sense to you. That's why I suggested you read Hoke. Once you understand the basics, information you receive from others will make sense, plus, and this is the most important thing----you won't have as many questions because you'll already have the answers.kenny24k said:thanks a lot harold and noxx..if im not understand about that may i ask guide or advice from both of u?nice to meet u guys..
Good luck!
Harold
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haha, when this thread was first posted, i was going to reply first with.."pssst, make sure you dont ask em anything regarding procedures or....really much of anything...for awhile yet." but then i noticed they werent asking a question at all...just saying hello, and greeting the forum...did anyone notice that they have been a member since last november and have made 1 other post besides this one and could very well understand that they need to learn before asking questions?
seems to me like some people have a bad taste in their mouth about us "FNG's"
heres a suggestion...set it up so that all new members must complete an exam upon registration, thereby allowing them to post in the forum. :idea:
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Windir said:
There wasn't even a hint of racialism in the suggestion to get a copy of Hokes refining precious metals. If you want to help new members become familiar with the process's involved and the terminology used in refining precious metals send them a link to download Hokes or give clear directions where they may obtain a hard copy.
I suggested the exam preemption long time ago, I also figured it would get new members on the right footing. In the meantime be respectful of those donating their time and years knowledge to the less uneducated wishing to learn something new like refining precious metals and the chemistry involved.
Best Regards
Gill
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heres a suggestion...set it up so that all new members must complete an exam upon registration, thereby allowing them to post in the forum. :idea: how about an exam for the latest , let's say , 1000 members ??? LOL works for me !! wouldn't be nice dear Windir ?
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Being both new to the forum and the hobby in general I would really dig the idea of an exam. It would give focus to what I 'need' to learn before I can move on to what I 'want' to learn.
Please note that the forum search engine has been fixed and you can now search for most any word without the "common word" error message. We are hoping that new people can first make a search instead of asking questions that have been answered 100 times.
For example, search for just the word gold and you get 20,647 hits.
For example, search for just the word gold and you get 20,647 hits.
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Before I respond to that comment, I want clarification of EXACTLY what you mean by "FNG's".Windir said:
Do not ignore this request. I assure you, should you choose to do so, you will be banned from the board.
Harold
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Thanks, Noxx..
I already have an understanding. I want to hear from this individual, in clear, concise terms, what he means. Mind you, I don't take too kindly to morons that come here and expect information to be dispensed to them as if it is an entitlement--expending no effort to learn, sitting on their fat butts waiting to be spoon fed. I have no respect for such people, and do not intend to waste my time on them.
I take personal exception to accusations of my not being tolerant of newbies. I have dedicated hundreds of hours instructing those that have enough initiative to do their research, but have hit a wall. To imply that I am short of patience with any reader is a sure recipe for getting on my bad side--- a side readers can come to understand is not the best place to be. I damned well expect that anyone that desires to learn to refine to do some home work, to study information that is at their disposal, and to gain a firm understanding of testing and processes, so when they ask questions, they are valid, not just something to take the time from those that give so freely on this forum.
Harold
I already have an understanding. I want to hear from this individual, in clear, concise terms, what he means. Mind you, I don't take too kindly to morons that come here and expect information to be dispensed to them as if it is an entitlement--expending no effort to learn, sitting on their fat butts waiting to be spoon fed. I have no respect for such people, and do not intend to waste my time on them.
I take personal exception to accusations of my not being tolerant of newbies. I have dedicated hundreds of hours instructing those that have enough initiative to do their research, but have hit a wall. To imply that I am short of patience with any reader is a sure recipe for getting on my bad side--- a side readers can come to understand is not the best place to be. I damned well expect that anyone that desires to learn to refine to do some home work, to study information that is at their disposal, and to gain a firm understanding of testing and processes, so when they ask questions, they are valid, not just something to take the time from those that give so freely on this forum.
Harold
I agree completely.
I do want to point out though that we should not lose or forget the gentleman that opened this thread Kenny as he spent 6 months here before his second post introducing himself. Commendable in itself.
Welcome Kenny!
I do want to point out though that we should not lose or forget the gentleman that opened this thread Kenny as he spent 6 months here before his second post introducing himself. Commendable in itself.
Welcome Kenny!
I am assuming it was Harold that has removed the 3 post rant that Windir had made "after my last", so to some what I have said below will make less sense (he did you a favor Windir). Needless to say it was Windir ranting against Harold and that he disagreed with the fact that we as a forum preferred that people read what is here before asking questions. If it is possible it may be of benefit to restore what is now missing.
Windir,
You just gave as perfect of an example as could be asked for as to why people are directed to spend some time reading first before asking questions. I will freely admit that beyond it being in the best interest of a new member to follow the simple advice that was given, it is also a bit of a vetting process to sort out those that are disruptive in their nature. You have been here but 2 weeks and are already attacking one of our most experienced members who probably spends more time than any other member keeping this forum civil as well as helping more individuals than many others do.
While you may have felt you were defending Kenny, you have only served to distract from his very polite introduction of himself. Please note that he spent 6 months reading before he introduced himself and that what you considered offensive and prejudiced, he did not. He very clearly thanked both Harold and Noxx for their comments prior to your criticisms.
It seems that since he has spent more time here before opening his mouth than you did, he had a good grasp of what was expected of him to be able to ask good questions that would have value to all. You on the other hand have just muddied the waters.
Frankly I would think that you owe Kenny an apology for screwing up his introduction with all of this crap. Speaking for myself I will make it a point to follow what he asks in greater detail because of the fact he has invested his time before asking. So far you have just given me good reason to ignore your posts since what I am seeing of you is that you like attention and drama, for lack of a better word, impetuous. I am surprised Harold has given you a second chance.
What you have done as a new member has made the rest of the people here look bad. As you have clearly pointed out, a new member looks to us as a group. Just like a chain we will be tested in strength by the weakest link. This was a poor way to welcome or treat someone that was smart enough to spend some time learning not only the chemistry but the nature of the people most apt to help him before asking questions or for clarification of what has already been written. You would be well served to follow his example as you obviously have little clue as to the nature of this forum and the people that give of their time freely to teach others that which is available nowhere else in such abundance.
If you disagree with how this forum is run you should excuse yourself from the knowledge it contains and the people that share it. The alternative is to be a man and recognize what you have done here and apologize for it. Harold has graciously allowed you the chance to make amends.
I look forward to your commentary.
Windir,
You just gave as perfect of an example as could be asked for as to why people are directed to spend some time reading first before asking questions. I will freely admit that beyond it being in the best interest of a new member to follow the simple advice that was given, it is also a bit of a vetting process to sort out those that are disruptive in their nature. You have been here but 2 weeks and are already attacking one of our most experienced members who probably spends more time than any other member keeping this forum civil as well as helping more individuals than many others do.
While you may have felt you were defending Kenny, you have only served to distract from his very polite introduction of himself. Please note that he spent 6 months reading before he introduced himself and that what you considered offensive and prejudiced, he did not. He very clearly thanked both Harold and Noxx for their comments prior to your criticisms.
It seems that since he has spent more time here before opening his mouth than you did, he had a good grasp of what was expected of him to be able to ask good questions that would have value to all. You on the other hand have just muddied the waters.
Frankly I would think that you owe Kenny an apology for screwing up his introduction with all of this crap. Speaking for myself I will make it a point to follow what he asks in greater detail because of the fact he has invested his time before asking. So far you have just given me good reason to ignore your posts since what I am seeing of you is that you like attention and drama, for lack of a better word, impetuous. I am surprised Harold has given you a second chance.
What you have done as a new member has made the rest of the people here look bad. As you have clearly pointed out, a new member looks to us as a group. Just like a chain we will be tested in strength by the weakest link. This was a poor way to welcome or treat someone that was smart enough to spend some time learning not only the chemistry but the nature of the people most apt to help him before asking questions or for clarification of what has already been written. You would be well served to follow his example as you obviously have little clue as to the nature of this forum and the people that give of their time freely to teach others that which is available nowhere else in such abundance.
If you disagree with how this forum is run you should excuse yourself from the knowledge it contains and the people that share it. The alternative is to be a man and recognize what you have done here and apologize for it. Harold has graciously allowed you the chance to make amends.
I look forward to your commentary.
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Thanks for your comments, Oz. Unfortunately, this individual was unable to contain his anger, and posted several venomous comments. He had been admonished to not perpetuate the acrimony, but chose, instead, to focus on his dislike for me and my comments. He has been banned, with no hope of being allowed to return. Should he do so under another identity, and becomes disruptive again, he will be banned again. He is clearly not welcome on this forum, not being able to behave as an adult, insisting on getting in the last word.
I would like to think that this thread has been a good learning tool for those that are new to this hobby. Amongst our moderators, I don't know of anyone that has any particular problem with the newest "kid on the block", but I'm sure that none of us have the patience required to answer enough questions to teach anyone to refine. All of that information came long before any of the readers involved-----in the form of Hoke's book, which I have promoted relentlessly. Reading and understanding its contents will provide answers to a huge array of questions, plus put the reader on a common plane with those of us that have refined for years. That helps the new guy understand instructions that are provided when there are problems beyond the scope of the book. To come to the forum without the basic knowledge I promote, asking questions endlessly, serves no real purpose, for the recipient still has little understanding, and can't use the information to any advantage.
Harold
I would like to think that this thread has been a good learning tool for those that are new to this hobby. Amongst our moderators, I don't know of anyone that has any particular problem with the newest "kid on the block", but I'm sure that none of us have the patience required to answer enough questions to teach anyone to refine. All of that information came long before any of the readers involved-----in the form of Hoke's book, which I have promoted relentlessly. Reading and understanding its contents will provide answers to a huge array of questions, plus put the reader on a common plane with those of us that have refined for years. That helps the new guy understand instructions that are provided when there are problems beyond the scope of the book. To come to the forum without the basic knowledge I promote, asking questions endlessly, serves no real purpose, for the recipient still has little understanding, and can't use the information to any advantage.
Harold
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Harold_V said:
although my point of view, explainations for my actions, not to mention the apologies i attempted to offer werent paid the slightest bit of attention to before...i cant help but be completely blown away by the hypocrisy this thread contains. the majority, if not all of the comments i had made were taken out of context and used as justification to commit the very same disrespectful and pointless attacks that i was accused of making during my futile attempts to maintain a little pride and dignity to move forward with....excuse me for not allowing someone to push me and beat me into submission just because they decide that my horrible decision to speak my mind lent nothing to their ability to summon some understanding for a viewpoint other than their own.
not a single one of my comments were "venomous", yet, there was no way anything i said, no matter how submissive or apologetic was going to be read for what it was or noted in any sort of constructive way.
in no way did i disagree with the original point made in the first posts on this page, in fact, it was quite the opposite...what i DIDNT agree with, which was the cause for my comment, was the attitude behind the words...and i just basically wanted to mention that he had been here for awhile already and likely understood that they shouldnt dare ask any questions...look what happens when someone says the wrong thing?
i wasnt defending him, didnt think they needed it...im just tired of the members here being so quick to tell someone who happens to greet you, to not ask any questions before they learn...maybe some of us KNOW that?...what kind of a forum is this when new people who come here to learn from you are basically told theres a waiting period and dues they have to pay before they are good enough to speak to you AT ALL?? your point behind that is understood, the reasons make sense...but seems to me like some people are being treated with a lack of respect...or friendliness at least...seems that way sometimes, and that sucks for whoever may be on the receiving end. the VERY first thing people get to hear is "you arent going to accomplish that by asking questions."....when no question was even asked? it very easily can be taken a certain way...im sorry i was stupid enough to say anything about it, but the point is made. its rude, presumptuous, and unwelcoming. kick me off the forum for calling you out on it and not sitting quietly when threats of expulsion are instantly thrown around because you decide to overreact?? so be it!
this is a total waste of time, as unfortunate as it may be....i dont lick boots so good, nor do i sit back and allow someone to poke at me with provocations immediately after threatening my membership in this forum...i had an unpopular opinion and made a poor choice in voicing it, that was all. i wouldve hoped that my reasoning behind all of this and the attempts at salvation couldve been received with at least some reservation of judgement...but no, i shouldve allowed myself to be publicly humiliated and misunderstood while they have a field day making an example of me, even after i had shown a willingness to relent and acknowledge the mistake i had made....and now it continues in my absence, not to mention in the absence of the posts in question...convenient how this entire fiasco has been so easily and willingly deleted, before having a chance to be looked at subjectively after cooler heads have prevailed. i wasnt given that chance, not while being allowed to maintain some dignity in the end...thanks for that, and thank you harold for being so insulting towards someone who without hesitation proclaimed an unwavering respect for you. its just a shame that i dont have the ability to keep quiet and bow down while someone freely insults my integrity, intelligence and ability to coexist with the members here.
clearly not welcome here?? doesnt seem like some people are welcome here to begin with...dont write me off as somene who just likes to create drama because im bored. when i get bored, im too busy reading your posts to even think about starting drama...i really am shocked at what has happened here...what i said served no purpose, therefore i regret it...but nothing can be done about that now...haha, youre right, im not too bright if im going to think this will even be read by anyone at this point, much less taken with any level of seriousness...i should have my head examined for typing all this.
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ok, after looking at it from a different perspective, one where the self righteous crap has been dropped...i understand and agree that i have in fact, as OZ had stated... made the forum look bad and it stands to reason why ive gotten this kind of reaction. it served no purpose to say what i said...i seemed to have forgotten that this forum is taken very seriously by its members, particularly those who have dedicated so much...i had no right to say what ive said. although it was never my intention to drive it to the point that it got to, i had no business thinking it was ok to come on here start acting like a clown, typing argumentative and useless garbage to serve my own selfish needs and expect that to be tolerated...i am sorry...as a show of respect, i will leave the forum for good and not post here again...heh, that and the fact that im pretty embarrassed, so it would be tough anyway...i still think some of the reaction was uncalled for, but thats beside the point, since my causing it was uncalled for..i brought it on myself, cant deny that....so, bye folks! take care!
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It strikes me odd that a person that may wish to get back in good standing on this forum must have the last word---an inability to recognize that disruptive posts are not welcome, and must justify their very being, as if by explaining their shortcomings they are, somehow, justified.
I am here as a moderator to keep peace and quiet on the board---to insure that it operates smoothly---that we remain on topic, that negativity is limited, or even eliminated, and that readers have confidence in voicing their opinions without being critical of others. I have no intentions of tolerating anyone that posts with the specific intention of creating acrimony---to suggest that honest and well thought responses are, somehow, insulting. This entire matter is clearly one of a reader not liking the message, no matter how useful it may be, or may have been.
I post my thoughts directly, with no sugar coating. I don't have time to pamper each and every person, so I would assume that those that receive a response at my hand will understand that I am delivering useful information, straight to the point, without asking permission. If readers find my delivery objectionable, they are well served to ignore my comments, and if they feel I am being disrespectful, to request I be relieved as a moderator. There are no other options.
It serves no purpose to pass left handed compliments via posting on the board---that will just get a person banned, with their posts deleted, as has been the case in this instance. Above all, do not assume that you can, or will, have the last word. Readers on this forum are guests in the house of the owner. He has appointed those of us that moderate to insure that he maintains a respectful board. Should I be derelict in handling my position, I would be a failure as a moderator. You can assume that, here, you are much as you may have been were you in the military. We set the rules, which you observe. If you choose not to, there is a price to pay. Not being welcome here is part of that price.
Harold
I am here as a moderator to keep peace and quiet on the board---to insure that it operates smoothly---that we remain on topic, that negativity is limited, or even eliminated, and that readers have confidence in voicing their opinions without being critical of others. I have no intentions of tolerating anyone that posts with the specific intention of creating acrimony---to suggest that honest and well thought responses are, somehow, insulting. This entire matter is clearly one of a reader not liking the message, no matter how useful it may be, or may have been.
I post my thoughts directly, with no sugar coating. I don't have time to pamper each and every person, so I would assume that those that receive a response at my hand will understand that I am delivering useful information, straight to the point, without asking permission. If readers find my delivery objectionable, they are well served to ignore my comments, and if they feel I am being disrespectful, to request I be relieved as a moderator. There are no other options.
It serves no purpose to pass left handed compliments via posting on the board---that will just get a person banned, with their posts deleted, as has been the case in this instance. Above all, do not assume that you can, or will, have the last word. Readers on this forum are guests in the house of the owner. He has appointed those of us that moderate to insure that he maintains a respectful board. Should I be derelict in handling my position, I would be a failure as a moderator. You can assume that, here, you are much as you may have been were you in the military. We set the rules, which you observe. If you choose not to, there is a price to pay. Not being welcome here is part of that price.
Harold
