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Spiritfire

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In a former life time far, far away, I was a member of this forum under the handle of Shecker. However, recently I had a complete hard drive failure and lost all passwords and contact information. To return to this forum I had to re-register (which I didn't mind at all) so now I am known by the handle Spiritfire.

In regards to this I must say two things. Number 1: When a hard drive starts making a crunching and grinding noise you can hear from across the room, in which the CPU no longer recognizes the hard drive, it's a b---h. Number 2: I am very happy to return to this forum of like minded people. I hope all of you have a great day processing precious metals.

Randy in Gunnison
 
I've got a good solution.

RAID 0
A full real time image of your boot drive while you work. One drive fails and the other takes over automaticaly. When you replace the bad drive, it becomes the backup and as you work all information is copied to it.

Works great unless you get a virus then same problems as without RAID.

Just a thought.
Tom C.
 
jimdoc said:
Randy,
Welcome back.
Maybe Noxx or a moderator can get your Shecker handle back, that is if you want it ?

Jim
Administrative privileges are required. Only Noxx can do it.

Harold
 
Question.

Did you try to recover the data on the drive? Was it diagnosed and pronounced dead? Does it still spin?

I know I am new to the board, but I am not new to hard drive failure and data recovery. I started an emergency computer and networking service company in 2000 when I opened my doors with one client. We now have over 400. If your interested I will gladly help. If you have given up on this issue or don't want to try to recover the data on the drive, no problem.

My guys are top in their field in recovering data from crashed hard drives. One drive was actually vacuum sealed and placed in a freezer. My senior tech and I recovered 1 text file that contained the clients passwords and some pictures before the drive failed again. Anyway I know I am new to the forum and any time one talks about their servces they are suspect. But for the record I am not talking about hiring me. I am talking about helping out for free...just like the forum members do for all of us. I can have the guys give it a go over if you still have it and want to try it. I know trust has not been established yet concerning my reputation on the forum, but I can provide as many corp clients for references as you need as my company runs the entire IT department for many companies and some are quite large and most have been in our stable for well over 5 years.

I don't want to put my website in here as I am not interested in driving business in my doors from this forum. I service my core group of clients and I can't take on any more if I wanted to. I read your post and just wanted to reach out a hand in case you were interested. If so, PM me. But I warn you I am not sure how I will know when I get a PM.. lol. Anyway sorry for your luck.

RAID 0 or striping is for speed and not data protection. Actually it will not protect your data at all as it does not have a parity bit so there is no way for the mirror to be rebuilt.
RAID 0 = ■Minimum 2 disks. ■Excellent performance ( as blocks are striped )increasing performance. ■No redundancy ( no mirror, no parity ). ■Not for use on any critical system or operating system.

A RAID 1 (mirror) would provide better data protection as an exact copy of the drive (volume(s)) is maintained and in the event one dies the machine will not even notice (outside of an alarm if equipt). Then you can put a new one in to replace the broken one and re-establish the mirror. If this is hardware RAID the machine will need to be down while the mirror is rebuilt.
RAID 0 = ■Minimum 2 disks. No performance gains, no parity bit.

RAID 5 needs 3 disks but provides great performance gains and data protection as the stripes allow for faster access time to the data and the 3 drives allow any one drive to fail and using the check bit, the data can be put back on the new drive and away you go.

Anyway, Regardless of RAID......offsite backups!!.. a must. Or at least encrypt a folder on a thumb drive and keep passwords in it, or just refine your passwords down to 2. A level 1 password (banking, Paypal etc.) and a level 2 password for websites, online shopping Etc. But now I am way off topic so I'll stop. (let me go get my fire retardant suit on, I feel the flaming coming on)

John S.
 
ReapHer_6 said:
(let me go get my fire retardant suit on, I feel the flaming coming on)
Not here, you don't. Unless a reader is a complete moron, we treat everyone with respect. We're not too kind to those who spam, however! :lol:

Welcome to the forum. It's very generous of you to offer your (free) services to others.

Harold
 
ReapHer_6 said:
RAID 0 or striping is for speed and not data protection. Actually it will not protect your data at all as it does not have a parity bit so there is no way for the mirror to be rebuilt.
RAID 0 = ■Minimum 2 disks. ■Excellent performance ( as blocks are striped )increasing performance. ■No redundancy ( no mirror, no parity ). ■Not for use on any critical system or operating system.

A RAID 1 (mirror) would provide better data protection as an exact copy of the drive (volume(s)) is maintained and in the event one dies the machine will not even notice (outside of an alarm if equipt). Then you can put a new one in to replace the broken one and re-establish the mirror. If this is hardware RAID the machine will need to be down while the mirror is rebuilt.
RAID 0 = ■Minimum 2 disks. No performance gains, no parity bit.
My bad, Thanks for the correction :p
On my system I had RAID 0 but I had a software glitch (Registry cleaner) that wiped the system configuration files so I had to have it repaired at which time I had it formated as a RAID 1 setup. No more registry cleaner for me.

Qiuck question while your here. I do a lot of photo and video editing plus web browsing and a CAD program.
I'm running XP on an I7-965E on a DX58SO motherboard with 4 gig ram and 4 SATA W,D. 1Tbt drives.

Would I be better off going with a RAID 0+1 configuration with 2 drives stripping and one for backup with the 4th as D: drive for file storage. Plus an off system backup drive.

I know the system will probably be faster with Win 7 and 12gig ram, but I prefer XP. I feel lost on a Win 7 system.

Thanks
Tom C.

edit: RAID 5 is also an option if the preformance boost would be worth it.
 
Hey Tom.

I was exactly where you are today concerning Windows 7. Let me go on record as stating I pretty much don't like anything Micro$oft does. BUT they did get it right with 7. I loved my XP. When Vista came out it did not take me 2 weeks to institute a "we don't work on Vista" policy. That was the best call and policy I ever made. When 7 came out I expected the same BS as with Vista. I was wrong and after about a year I was forced into 7 because all my clients were buying machines to replace the dyeing Xp boxes and or the crappy Vista ones. I then found myself dual booting my laptop so I could boot either Xp or 7. Then I realized something. The operating system was not only spot on, but I like it much better. That was then end of the Xp era for me. I now only own 7 machines at home, in the shop, the lab, and even in my vehicle. So To answer your question and it is from vast experience (much of it dealing with a generation ahead of me and one that HATES change) you will not only love 7 but you will not even notice the transition. It is Xp on steroids (not under the hood, but to the end user). So I cringe every time I say it, but you not only need to go to seven you will be much safer (the OS is very robust and the way it handles read writes to the HDD and memory is blazing, and MUCH more resilient in the event of hard shutdowns).

Power losses and hard shutdowns affected about 3 in ten Xp machines. I mean if you lost power 10 times, 7 of them you stand a good chance of no issues due to the improper shutdown. In our shop we handled an average of 5 residential machines a day and that was about the average failure rate. With 7 it went to 3 in a hundred that suffered issues due to the improper shutdown.

Lastly I cater to many CAD designers and one engineering firm that I run the IT department has 13 engineers. I built an auto cad machine as a demo for them to try. I was so convinced it would help productivity that I told them to try the machine first and if it did not live up to the hype I was putting out I would charge them nothing (I would keep the machine though). Well needless to say after 2 weeks they started cycling through all the older systems and replaced all 13 within 3 months. They were astounded by the performance. They use CAD to develop the roadway systems for the government and when they zoomed in or out on a large plan it looked like a slide show. With seven it was blazing. Lastly the box I set up had nothing high end in it. Not ram, processor, or video card. They were all average components. They were quad cores, but not the extreme versions or anything close.

So If I were you and you wanted a really good setup. I would (budget dictating) build a quad core. (2 cores are not enough in my opinion and 6 and up are too expensive right now and I am under the impression that the software has not caught up to addressing the extra cores yet)
You NEED to go to 64bit OS though. It is the only way you will ever address more than 3 Gigs of RAM. Then you can purchase as much ram as your mobo and pocket can handle. I have 6GM of DDR3 and I have never used anywhere near the last gig and I can't ever rember using much more than 4Gb. Get the highest FSB (front side bus) speed motherboard to match the processor.

FBS DICTATES ALL!!!. It is the freeway that all componets move data to and from the cores..The absolute biggest bang for the buck is picked up or realized the the FSB speed. Not GHZ of the processor or the amount of ram but the FSB. . The GHZ of the cpu will not have as much of a dramitac effect as it did in the single core 32bit days... Make sure that your CAD software can support the extra cores. . You do want to go to SLI video cards I don't want to bore you with their handling of the 1's and 0's...but let’s just say at the competition level that is where you’re FPS (frames per second) and that means the world in CAD rendering. In FPS or First Person Shooters, we strive for 3 digit frames per second average MINIUM! and peak in the 300's ...ok. Let me digress. First off we should get this out of this thread as we are off topic, so PM me if you want and I’ll walk you through whatever you want to do. I really don't recommend upgrading the XP box as the technology in the mobo and the like will not support seven well and the cost had dropped so much that starting from scratch is much better. GIGO, garbage in garbage out.. Anyway I am not much help to the board when it comes to gold reclaiming or refining, but I do have a significant background in computer system engineering, building and repair. I personally hand build all my clients servers and some are 10 years old and they do not want to change them out as they are still running that well.

As far as RAID goes... Well we are all avid gamers. (Actually my junior tech is in the top of the COD field and as close to going PRO. We all run seven. For performance striping is the only way to go and the more physical disks you employ in the RAID setup the faster it will read / write. I can explain the physics behind why, but I am sure the refiners here could care less so I won't. But you need to think about a couple of things. One is striping for speed, mirroring for data protection. You could hardware mirror the boot volume (c:). That would be great protection against one drive failing and still allow your machine to function. You could stripe a volume (say D:). That would allow much higher read writes but you still have wait for the operation system which resides on a non striped mirror so it will limit you some.The main point of failure in reaching the desired speed is that most people forget to install the software on the striped drive. A year from now they will install (x program) and it will default to c:. It will put all its data there and thus you gain nothing. If you install CAD on D: and make sure you change the default database directory in d: you will straight. Raid 5 or higher is the best possible senario. You get massive speed increases in striping 3 drives (about 3 times faster in therory if my memory serves me.) and you can loose 1 drive with no loss of data as the combinatino of 3 drives allows for the all mighty check bit. With it, the RAID controled and read the blocks on the other 2 drives and or the drive with the check bit and deduct what the missing bit was....ok, sorry to much information....

Lastly remember the drawbacks. RAID increases protection from failover. You need to make sure you order 2 drives of same capacity but form completely different manufacturers, suppliers etc. Buying 5 Segate SATA drives from the same lot is illogical as if the lot suffered a defective run, your chances are greater of catastrophic failure. Spreading out the manufacturers and buying from different suppliers increases your odds of success in the event of a failover. The last part of the equation is the nature of RAID. Redundant Array of Inexpensive DISKS. The more DISKS you enter into the equation the greater the chances of a drive failure...So whatever you would like to do, I will gladly help out. It is the least I can do for a forum that has helped and continues to help me out so much I will never be able to articulate.

Pm me so we can un hijack this thread.
To the other members I apologize for the off topic ramblings. I have been up all night as the wife is in the hospital and I am passing the time. (She is fine, all good) but I went off into computer geek land in the middle of someone’s thread.

I am off to read more in this vast forest of knowledge.

John S
 
PS, just say NO to registry cleaners.

I would say that after averaging thousands of computers that go through my shop per year (10 years running, and I stopped counting) I rank our leading income generationg repairs as follows (not happily speaking, just for the sake of data)

1 Viruses. This is hands down the largest income generator and I often wonder if, not like wars (I am not saying they are invented, I am saying I often wonder), viruses are invented by the very industry that benifits so much by them.. I hope not.

2. Power issues.
Improper shutdowns (holding the power button in until it goes off)
building power failures (black outs and brown outs)
dirty power (fluctuations in power spiking over the limits and dropping under the limits even for a millisecond)

3. REGISTRY CLEANERS. They do not work. To the end user it is like trying to fill your own cavities. You might be ok, but odds are you probably won't.

Remember if any program outside of the top 5 known antiviruses tell you that you have a large number of viruses, it is a virus and for goodness sake do not pay money for one that promises to fix what it tells you is wrong. No legitimate software company acts like this, but I can't tell you the heartache I have seen before me that has come from this type of transaction... it gets ugly.


John S.
 
ReapHer_6 said:
Pm me so we can un hijack this thread.
To the other members I apologize for the off topic ramblings. I have been up all night as the wife is in the hospital and I am passing the time. (She is fine, all good) but I went off into computer geek land in the middle of someone’s thread.

John S

Maybe we can start another computer related thread, and then add these to it? (a moderator would have to do that).
It is good information and should be able to be found properly, and be in the right place.

I switched to Linux a few years back, and vowed to never return to Windows. But I do fix machines for friends when I can. I have heard a lot of good things about Windows 7, but if I was to install it, it would be on a dual boot system.

Jim
 
I agree on a seperate place for computer related stuff as most of us are using one to access this forum lmao.. So it could a good thing.

If you need assistance in setting it up dual boot, I am game. I would say dual booting a 7 machine is one of the more difficult things to setup.
Anyway I am here if I can help anyone in any way.

John S.
 
ReapHer_6 said:
I agree on a seperate place for computer related stuff as most of us are using one to access this forum lmao.. So it could a good thing.
John S.

A lot of us that get scrap computers in would rather see them get reused than scrapped when they are new enough. Either to be charitable, or to sell it for more $$$ than scrap. What I hate about Windows is the registration numbers are such a hassle. I can put and Ubuntu hard drive in any computer to test it. But I am sure there are some people here than can use a little computer help once in a while.

Jim
 
ReapHer_6 said:
So whatever you would like to do, I will gladly help out. It is the least I can do for a forum that has helped and continues to help me out so much I will never be able to articulate.

Interesting offer.

I run Vista and have been apprehensive about installing 7. I have it, but had an issue when I attempted the installation. Re-installed Vista and I'm happy as a clam. Do bear in mind, I am what can easily be considered a computer moron.

Why would I benefit by upgrading to 7?

Harold
 
Harold_V said:
Why would I benefit by upgrading to 7?
We recieved about 100 quad core computers from a local company,that all had 7 on them.We had a lot of troubles on several sites.The computers all came with the disks for Windows 7,the upgrades,service packs,and the drivers,so we did not mind loading XP on a few.After XP we did not find a single problem on any site.I don't know what the problems stemmed from,but I know we did not have them after XP.Now all of my comps run XP.
Funny story about all of this.....
The total amount of windows 7 disks that we had were probably around 100.All were brand new(except 1),with individual COA's not only on the comp's,but duplicates on each disk.We had the same number of disks for service packs,upgrades,and drivers.I sold about half of them to a local vendor,and now I cannot find the crate that has the rest of them.Maybe I'll take a trip to the storage unit and see if wifey put them in there.
 
Mic.

The issue is hard to address as I need more info on the machines like the Service pack level, and expecially IE version. It sounds like a security setting in IE. I do know that if 7 was installed properly, updated and IE was up to date, then it sould be top shelf. If you do need to knucle down and get them working I can help!!.

The only way we could be successful in our business was to take over the machines in our shop and jut like refining (I am learning) you must start at the beginning and only after after you verify everything can you move on to the next step. I stopped doing any work inthe field on residential computers as to do it right takes a lot of bench time. But the product that comes out is as close to perfect as possible. It is impossible to do a good job without verifing a lot of detials are correct. It's like the dog and the tail..or the horse and the cart. Which one comes first.. Does the problem cause a bad running computer or does a bad running computer caue the problem.. I hope that made sense, I am ruching as I have a ton of things to get done in a short amount of time today. But I will work with you if you want to get any of your seven boxes running.

wow 100 quad cores. I could sell the poop out of them to the kids in our gaming league.

I will talk at you later!!

John S

HAPPY Christmas EVE everyone. I hope all is well with you and yours!
 
Harold. I just saw that I missed your question. I will gladly elaborate. I need to jet for now as the inlaws are sitting the wife and kids so I could get out. (the wife had an elevtive surgery yesterday) I have to jump off here. But Vista is ok for the end user that does not do much in the way of third party software. My business clients all (I mean 100%) had to dump Vista for Xp when Vista came out because Micro$oft held thei source code to tightly to their vest as they did not want the hackers beating up the OS like they did XP. There was not one piece of software that would run in Vista, like plumbing database software, vynal cutting programs..Etc. If you are ok with Vista and it does not give you issues, we say run it. If it gets funky, don't waste time or money chasing the issues down the rabbit hole. You will never get to the bottom as it is virtually impossible.

Also do you want me to continue talking about computer stuff inthis thread or do you want us to start a new one or do you want to move us out of this one?
Just wondering.
Ok, I better get on the road. Santa has a lot to do if he is going to make momma and the kids happy..:)

John S.
 
Damn, I missed yours too Jimdoc. I'll answer tonight!! sorry I am still getting used to the forum. It's been years since I was active in one.

I'll Answer Soon.

John S.
 

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