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lekjaz

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I was actively refining gold a couple of years ago, had a couple of ounces under my belt and and then life got in the way (father's health crashed, and I got a new job and moved cross country...) I'm getting set up again to start collecting and refining now that the dust is settling in my new house. I've got my fume hood mostly complete and have started looking around for good sources of scrap.

My seed money to get going again is stored in this large pickle jar. Back in the spring of 2022 when I stopped refining, this was about $6k in gold. I left a reaction to sit (cold) after my father had a medical emergency and after a couple of weeks, the gold went colloidal and would not precipitate out with sodium metabisulfite.

Fast forward a couple of months and I got a job offer to move across country, so my whole refining operation got broken down. It was a mad scramble to clean up and sell the house, so all my filter papers and partially refined stuff got tossed into this jar and away we went. I'm stunned that the jar survived the 1400 mile journey without breaking/spilling, so here we are.

You can see quite a bit of gold has settled out to the bottom, but there is also colloidal gold in suspension in this goop (along with a lot of dissolved copper, silver and sodium metabisulfite).

I was thinking my best course of action would be to wash and remove any remaining filter papers, filter out any solids in my buchner funnel, boil off the remaining liquid to a crusty solid, melt it, and then refine with nitric/aqua regia as per usual.

My concern is about creating copper salts that might burn or even spark and become explosive. Will the sodium metabisulfite just burn off?

Open to ideas, thanks for considering.

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I was actively refining gold a couple of years ago, had a couple of ounces under my belt and and then life got in the way (father's health crashed, and I got a new job and moved cross country...) I'm getting set up again to start collecting and refining now that the dust is settling in my new house. I've got my fume hood mostly complete and have started looking around for good sources of scrap.

My seed money to get going again is stored in this large pickle jar. Back in the spring of 2022 when I stopped refining, this was about $6k in gold. I left a reaction to sit (cold) after my father had a medical emergency and after a couple of weeks, the gold went colloidal and would not precipitate out with sodium metabisulfite.

Fast forward a couple of months and I got a job offer to move across country, so my whole refining operation got broken down. It was a mad scramble to clean up and sell the house, so all my filter papers and partially refined stuff got tossed into this jar and away we went. I'm stunned that the jar survived the 1400 mile journey without breaking/spilling, so here we are.

You can see quite a bit of gold has settled out to the bottom, but there is also colloidal gold in suspension in this goop (along with a lot of dissolved copper, silver and sodium metabisulfite).

I was thinking my best course of action would be to wash and remove any remaining filter papers, filter out any solids in my buchner funnel, boil off the remaining liquid to a crusty solid, melt it, and then refine with nitric/aqua regia as per usual.

My concern is about creating copper salts that might burn or even spark and become explosive. Will the sodium metabisulfite just burn off?

Open to ideas, thanks for considering.

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First of all get some proper Glassware.
Next study more, at least read Hokes book.
You obviously have no hang of the chemistry yet.

2-3Ozt of Gold in there???

Siphon off the liquid, test the pH, then do a Stannous test.
Continue based on that.
The Solids can be redissolved and precipitated so you have control over what is there.
No need for AR, just use HCl and Peroxide or Chlorine.

Her for more studies:

We ask our new members to do 3 things.
1. Read C.M. Hokes book on refining jewelers scrap, it gives an easy introduction to the most important chemistry regarding refining.
It is free here on the forum: https://goldrefiningforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=19798
2. Then read the safety section of the forum: https://goldrefiningforum.com/forums/safety.47/
3. And then read about "Dealing with waste" in the forum: https://goldrefiningforum.com/threads/dealing-with-waste.10539/

Suggested reading:
https://goldrefiningforum.com/forums/the-library.101/
https://goldrefiningforum.com/threads/when-in-doubt-cement-it-out.30236/
https://goldrefiningforum.com/threa...le-read-this-before-you-post-about-ore.33333/


Forum rules is here.
https://goldrefiningforum.com/threads/gold-refining-forum-rules.31182/
 
Thank you for the response. I have some proper glassware, just was using this big pickle jar for moving because it was large and had a tight fitting lid. It's quite a big jar, so yes there's easily 2-3ozt in there. And yes, still getting the swing of the chemistry. I had the process pretty well dialed in for what I was doing (refining mostly karat scrap), but the move and subsequent scramble kind of messed me up. I'll read into the links you provided.
 
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