Need some help

[lost43ver]

Hello everybody I'm KC, and I'm fairly new to the world of gold refining due to financial situations I started to look to the Earth for answers to my problems and I stumbled upon what I assume is a literal gold mine. Since the discovery of said oars I have crushed by hand with a hammer many rocks I have many bottles and jars full of black sand with what I'm assuming is silver or platinum as well as gold particles in it I am having a very hard time figuring out how to lead still if not only do I have oxidized gold and gold sulfides I don't know how to do it. I have a lot of solutions in bottles that I don't know how to precipitate but I probably messed up badly I don't understand a lot of the chemistry lingo so finding stuff online has been very hard for me and I will probably ask a lot of questions but I totally am here to learn and I'm hoping it's not too late that I haven't already hazardously destroyed my health. Anyway thank you guys for having me!!!

 

[Heavy-Black-Sand]

If you plan on getting into the activity of refining, particulary involving leaching, i suggest you first read/understand the potential dangers to your health, and how that affects the type of advice being offered on this webiste ..... you should read this message first ......

https://goldrefiningforum.com/threa...imple-question-and-get-a-simple-answer.21412/

 

[FrugalRefiner]

To get you started, see So, you think your rocks are valuable? READ THIS BEFORE YOU POST ABOUT ORE!.

Dave

 

[lost43ver]

If you plan on getting into the activity of refining, particulary involving leaching, i suggest you first read/understand the potential dangers to your health, and how that affects the type of advice being offered on this webiste ..... you should read this message first ......

https://goldrefiningforum.com/threa...imple-question-and-get-a-simple-answer.21412/

If you plan on getting into the activity of refining, particulary involving leaching, i suggest you first read/understand the potential dangers to your health, and how that affects the type of advice being offered on this webiste ..... you should read this message first ......

https://goldrefiningforum.com/threa...imple-question-and-get-a-simple-answer.21412/

I understand and thank you however I'm pretty far I'm past the health advisory warnings I did all of this without a mask without caring what I was breathing I'm only doing this out of desperation. However I do know the ore is good thank to the local gem and mineral society or club here where I live. I was just thinking about posting pictures of three different colors I have just to see if somebody can tell me if the color of the least liquid is at least the color it's supposed to be so a lot of things you can't find online or if you do find it there's another opinion that contradicts it and it makes it hard.

 

[lost43ver]

To get you started, see So, you think your rocks are valuable? READ THIS BEFORE YOU POST ABOUT ORE!.

Dave

Cuz I have never used a site like this or even heard of one like this before and I wish I had before I started I did not know the proper procedure for things please discount everything I said before I'm not an expert in or have I gone to an actual expert I guess because just because you belong to it a gemological or mineral society does not make you an expert so with that said I'm hopeful that what I have is worth something but I still need to know the process for pulling it out. The majority of my knowledge on the subject comes to this I can crush it to find powder and either add Mercury to make an amalgoma or I can use hydrochloric acid with nitric acid or I can use vinegar and 35% hydrogen peroxide and last but not least what I heard I could do and I'm trying but not sure I'm succeeding is use bleach vinegar and salt. I will do my best way to hear to the rules of this site and respect those that are obviously farther advanced in the field than me and the way that I will refrain from asking too many simpleton questions and do as much research on it as I can before coming with a question. Please forgive the mistake let us move forward toward knowledge. Thank you

 

[Yggdrasil]

Cuz I have never used a site like this or even heard of one like this before and I wish I had before I started I did not know the proper procedure for things please discount everything I said before I'm not an expert in or have I gone to an actual expert I guess because just because you belong to it a gemological or mineral society does not make you an expert so with that said I'm hopeful that what I have is worth something but I still need to know the process for pulling it out. The majority of my knowledge on the subject comes to this I can crush it to find powder and either add Mercury to make an amalgoma or I can use hydrochloric acid with nitric acid or I can use vinegar and 35% hydrogen peroxide and last but not least what I heard I could do and I'm trying but not sure I'm succeeding is use bleach vinegar and salt. I will do my best way to hear to the rules of this site and respect those that are obviously farther advanced in the field than me and the way that I will refrain from asking too many simpleton questions and do as much research on it as I can before coming with a question. Please forgive the mistake let us move forward toward knowledge. Thank you

First things first.
You need an assay, there is no way around that if you are going to leach your ore.
If you can afford one you can crush your ore fine and pan it, if there is nothing there all is not lost but you can learn to do a fire assay by yourself, there are plenty of books in the library.
There are two reasons for assays,
first to know if there is actual precious metal in there and next that it do not contain toxic elements that will kill you.
Next pack your chemicals away in a safe place and start studying.

We ask our new members to do 3 things.
1. Read C.M. Hokes book on refining jewelers scrap, it gives an easy introduction to the most important chemistry regarding refining.
It is free here on the forum: Screen Readable Copy of Hoke's Book
2. Then read the safety section of the forum: Safety
3. And then read about "Dealing with waste" in the forum: Dealing with Waste

Suggested reading: The Library

https://goldrefiningforum.com/threads/gold-refining-forum-rules.31182/

 

[lost43ver]

Thought I would share a few pictures of some of what I have. Also I have panned it, and there is flakes but most of my product has been micro gold or dust so to speak. Thank you for putting those out to me I will absolutely be reading those.

 

[Heavy-Black-Sand]

If your going to pursue Gold propspecting/mining .... my advice would be to re-organzie; by moving away from Hardrock ore, and refocus on Placer Gold ..... hardrock mining is a very very expensive/difficult business with extremely low odds of success ..... Placer gold is also a very difficult business, but not nearly as difficult and expensive as hardrock mining ..... get a regular job to pay the bills, and pursue Placer Gold in your spare time.

 

[lost43ver]

If your going to pursue Gold propspecting/mining .... my advice would be to re-organzie; by moving away from Hardrock ore, and refocus on Placer Gold ..... hardrock mining is a very very expensive/difficult business with extremely low odds of success ..... Placer gold is also a very difficult business, but not nearly as difficult and expensive as hardrock mining ..... get a regular job to pay the bills, and pursue Placer Gold in your spare time.

You say that as if I would rather do this than work full time. However, I cannot find work due to circumstances. I would love to find someone to give my crushed ore to and trade the processing for 1/3 of the yield for the work. Sadly even that has proven difficult to find. Until I can rectify my situation this is the option I have. I am a semi intelligent man I'm sure I'll manage. I am very grateful for the literature I have found on this site, as it has illuminated many things already and I haven't even been reading for an hour yet.

 

[Darkthirty]

Cuz I have never used a site like this or even heard of one like this before and I wish I had before I started I did not know the proper procedure for things please discount everything I said before I'm not an expert in or have I gone to an actual expert I guess because just because you belong to it a gemological or mineral society does not make you an expert so with that said I'm hopeful that what I have is worth something but I still need to know the process for pulling it out. The majority of my knowledge on the subject comes to this I can crush it to find powder and either add Mercury to make an amalgoma or I can use hydrochloric acid with nitric acid or I can use vinegar and 35% hydrogen peroxide and last but not least what I heard I could do and I'm trying but not sure I'm succeeding is use bleach vinegar and salt. I will do my best way to hear to the rules of this site and respect those that are obviously farther advanced in the field than me and the way that I will refrain from asking too many simpleton questions and do as much research on it as I can before coming with a question. Please forgive the mistake let us move forward toward knowledge. Thank you

Punctuation would make this less painful to read...

 

[minero74]

If your going to pursue Gold propspecting/mining .... my advice would be to re-organzie; by moving away from Hardrock ore, and refocus on Placer Gold ..... hardrock mining is a very very expensive/difficult business with extremely low odds of success ..... Placer gold is also a very difficult business, but not nearly as difficult and expensive as hardrock mining ..... get a regular job to pay the bills, and pursue Placer Gold in your spare time.

One of the best advice I read so far.


exactly start low and slow
so You don’t waste lot of $$$.

Hard rock mining is way difficult and have many and many dangerous thing

never get inside a mine with out a person
or maybe 2 more person with You
they can help you if thing going wrong

never get inside a mine with out an spare flashlight and batteries

Today is very rare for me to go inside a mine
all my work is going around from abandoned mine to abandoned mine

just looking for the high great pile
pick up some buckets of ore
only if it are high great ore
otherwise is not good for me
and
going home and crushed,panned get

in the USA there is maybe up to a million of abandoned mine with value

We just beed to be smart ,know your boundaries and don’t crossed

safety first.

placer or Lode mining is make to
the smarter choices

and take time to learn the trade.

Read C.M Hoke book is free in the forum and members from this forum add their valuable pieces of advice is like gold for Us.

You can make your own equipment
I make my own rock crusher and i was found a jaw crusher very old one in a mine
and i fix it and is work very good.

the best thing I don’t spend lot $$$.

if You look around In the internet You can find lots of good idea in how to make Your own equipments.

 

[lost43ver]

Punctuation would make this less painful to read...

Sorry for the poor grammar. I will be more aware of such things in the future. Thank you for your input.

 

[BShan]

Have you thought about foraging for other natural resources too? Maitake mushroom season is wrapping up, and while harder to find, I think there is a species of black truffle that can be found in fir forests (easier if you have a best friend with a good nose). Plus, the mushroom nerds all say that a lot of different mushrooms have some promising health benefits.

Well, might be nice to keep an eye out while you're prospecting, at least. Not everything from the Earth can be directly used as money, but many things have value.

Regarding your current situation, all I can say is don't get your hopes up. It takes a lot of effort to bash up rocks fine enough to see if there's metallic gold in it. I think that's why placer gold is more alluring. Over many many years, nature bashes up rocks for you, whether they contain gold or not. Also over many many years, nature "sluices" it for you and settles this finer gold into "deposits" in rivers/creeks. So, let nature do the manual labor for you. This leaves you with more "effort" to put towards knowledge, instead of burning your time crushing rocks.

 

[lost43ver]

Have you thought about foraging for other natural resources too? Maitake mushroom season is wrapping up, and while harder to find, I think there is a species of black truffle that can be found in fir forests (easier if you have a best friend with a good nose). Plus, the mushroom nerds all say that a lot of different mushrooms have some promising health benefits.

Well, might be nice to keep an eye out while you're prospecting, at least. Not everything from the Earth can be directly used as money, but many things have value.

Regarding your current situation, all I can say is don't get your hopes up. It takes a lot of effort to bash up rocks fine enough to see if there's metallic gold in it. I think that's why placer gold is more alluring. Over many many years, nature bashes up rocks for you, whether they contain gold or not. Also over many many years, nature "sluices" it for you and settles this finer gold into "deposits" in rivers/creeks. So, let nature do the manual labor for you. This leaves you with more "effort" to put towards knowledge, instead of burning your time crushing rocks.

Thank you. However, though not an expert I have crushed around a hundred pounds of rock and am confident in my findings. I will know know for sure in a few days, as I am taking my proposed painter to the State University where they have agreed to look at it and tell me if what I have is worth it or not.

 

[Heavy-Black-Sand]

Thank you. However, though not an expert I have crushed around a hundred pounds of rock and am confident in my findings. I will know know for sure in a few days, as I am taking my proposed painter to the State University where they have agreed to look at it and tell me if what I have is worth it or not.

You say that as if I would rather do this than work full time. However, I cannot find work due to circumstances. I would love to find someone to give my crushed ore to and trade the processing for 1/3 of the yield for the work. Sadly even that has proven difficult to find. Until I can rectify my situation this is the option I have. I am a semi intelligent man I'm sure I'll manage. I am very grateful for the literature I have found on this site, as it has illuminated many things already and I haven't even been reading for an hour yet.

If you can find good Placer Gold deposits/ore, and can prove definitively the grades & economic potential, you'll have alot higher chances of selling or monetizing it vs. hardrock ore .... based upon the rich mining history close to the border in southerstern BC, there's likely some very interesting placer creeks in northeastern Washington state ..... Rock Creek, BC has a very good history of coarse Placer Gold mining, and is located only 3.85 miles north of the WA state border ..... imo, northeastern WA state is very under explored for it's Gold potential, particularly in the regions close to the border around the old BC mining camps.

As far as your hardrock ore goes; if your not on the VG after crushing/panning your ore, there's aprox. a 99.999% chance your wasting your time ..... can you make money hardrock prospecting? - yes, but in modern times it's almost always (99.99%) of the time done thru public companies & the stock market .... there's a family doing very well prospecting in the Yukon recently, but their drill core are pulling high grade bulk gold grades over 400+ meter lengths with plenty of VG, and their overall exploration work (supervised & documented by proffessional geologists) indicates they are sitting on a very big deposit .... it takes multi-millions to run a hardrock exploration co of any substance ..... Placer Gold on the other hand, can be explored & tested for a tiny tiny fraction of it's hardrock cousin, and can be monetized much more easily.

 

[lost43ver]

If you can find good Placer Gold deposits/ore, and can prove definitively the grades & economic potential, you'll have alot higher chances of selling or monetizing it vs. hardrock ore .... based upon the rich mining history close to the border in southerstern BC, there's likely some very interesting placer creeks in northeastern Washington state ..... Rock Creek, BC has a very good history of coarse Placer Gold mining, and is located only 3.85 miles north of the WA state border ..... imo, northeastern WA state is very under explored for it's Gold potential, particularly in the regions close to the border around the old BC mining camps.

As far as your hardrock ore goes; if your not on the VG after crushing/panning your ore, there's aprox. a 99.999% chance your wasting your time ..... can you make money hardrock prospecting? - yes, but in modern times it's almost always (99.99%) of the time done thru public companies & the stock market .... there's a family doing very well prospecting in the Yukon recently, but their drill core are pulling high grade bulk gold grades over 400+ meter lengths with plenty of VG, and their overall exploration work (supervised & documented by proffessional geologists) indicates they are sitting on a very big deposit .... it takes multi-millions to run a hardrock exploration co of any substance ..... Placer Gold on the other hand, can be explored & tested for a tiny tiny fraction of it's hardrock cousin, and can be monetized much more easily.

Thank you for your input. I will weigh and consider the suggestion. I do however have a question, please don't laugh... What does VG mean?

 

[lost43ver]

If you can find good Placer Gold deposits/ore, and can prove definitively the grades & economic potential, you'll have alot higher chances of selling or monetizing it vs. hardrock ore .... based upon the rich mining history close to the border in southerstern BC, there's likely some very interesting placer creeks in northeastern Washington state ..... Rock Creek, BC has a very good history of coarse Placer Gold mining, and is located only 3.85 miles north of the WA state border ..... imo, northeastern WA state is very under explored for it's Gold potential, particularly in the regions close to the border around the old BC mining camps.

As far as your hardrock ore goes; if your not on the VG after crushing/panning your ore, there's aprox. a 99.999% chance your wasting your time ..... can you make money hardrock prospecting? - yes, but in modern times it's almost always (99.99%) of the time done thru public companies & the stock market .... there's a family doing very well prospecting in the Yukon recently, but their drill core are pulling high grade bulk gold grades over 400+ meter lengths with plenty of VG, and their overall exploration work (supervised & documented by proffessional geologists) indicates they are sitting on a very big deposit .... it takes multi-millions to run a hardrock exploration co of any substance ..... Placer Gold on the other hand, can be explored & tested for a tiny tiny fraction of it's hardrock cousin, and can be monetized much more easily.

Look the reason I'm set on what I'm doing is due to the fact that the last time I let my paining water dry up there was so much micro gold across the top of it that it look like I gold-plated my dirt. Needless to say I am extremely confident that the ore I'm crushing is well worth it

 

[Heavy-Black-Sand]

Look the reason I'm set on what I'm doing is due to the fact that the last time I let my paining water dry up there was so much micro gold across the top of it that it look like I gold-plated my dirt. Needless to say I am extremely confident that the ore I'm crushing is well worth it

VG = Visible Gold.

And unless your samples come from close proximity to historically known high-grade deposits, there's a near certainty you will be disappointed.

 

[Thomas M Joseph]

The first thing you need to do, if you have found gold, is to secure the mineral rights to the property. Otherwise, you are wasting your efforts. On land that is open to mineral exploration you are only able to take "grab" samples. It appears that you have exceeded that limit already. Grab samples allow you to assay the find and legally declare a mineral has been "located" and make way to a claim. You need to review the process for your states mining laws.

 

[lost43ver]

VG = Visible Gold.

And unless your samples come from close proximity to historically known high-grade deposits, there's a near certainty you will be disappointed.

Well I'm not going to be disappointed I literally just got back from taking my dog on a walk and found another rock with VG. I'm going to try to post a picture of it but the camera on my phone is terrible cuz it's a hand-me-down and it's been put through the ringer already I'll do my best.