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masonwebb

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I can't believe how expensive Ebay is sometime's. Some people wan't am arm and a leg for scrap! It's like " Oh this has gold in it so it must be worth something".
I've seen a scrap Pentium pro go for $50 once. Does anyone else think anything about Ebay's prices?
 
Buying scrap on ebay and trying to make money with it is in my opinion a lesson in futility. You have to find your scrap in other ways. I recently contacted a jewelry store owner and he agreed to sell me gold fill scrap at 50% of spot and then buy the refined gold back from me at 100% of spot. I am currently on my second small bath from him. It's experiences like this that solidify my belief that buying scrap on ebay is a waste of time. If you are new to this refining thing I would suggest hitting up some businesses and thrift stores etc with business cards/flyers. I do this and almost always end up with a truck load of e-scrap. Don't forget the jewelry stores and optometrists too. Garages sales are a good source to for all kinds of e-scrap as well as refining vessels (corning ware dishes etc). I went to a garage sale last summer and introduced myself as an e-srapper and the guy's face lit up like a roman candle and he led me to his garage and showed me his late fathers collection of old test equipment (frequency generators, scopes, and stuff I couldn't even identify). Probably thirty pieces. Got them home and found plenty of gold legged piggy back IC's among plenty of other plated gold goodies. This guy was on leave from the navy ( his father's funeral and cleaning out of the house ) and was absolutely delighted to meet me. He didn't have any e-scrap displayed in his garage sale stuff because he never thought anyone would be interested. Bottom line is- ebay scrap is usually waaaaayyyyyy over priced.

Dennis
 
I think in many cases shill bidding occurs. That is where cohorts of the seller get in on the bidding to simulate the appearance of interest and to guarantee a higher-price sale. Better for the seller to pay fees (more likely, the fake buyer and the seller split frictional costs) than to sell at a low price. In many cases I believe the goods are never shipped. The buyer just leaves glorious feedback for the seller, ("Great deal!, Fast shipment!") the seller pays the fees. Other potential buyers see auctions they didn't win but add the seller to their favorites list. Then the seller lists another....and another....and another, and over time the bogus seller builds up a strong feedback book and the next newb who comes along makes the calculation that they just have to up their bid if they want to get all that gold. Gotta have it. More important to win than to make an intelligent decision.

And there is no denying that every single day, some number of newbies suddenly struck with gold fever and an overactive imagination get the idea that any and every old computer has hundreds of dollars worth of gold in it, and all they have to do is to mix up a few chemicals and the gold will gleefully leap out of the computer and into a nice, rectangular 1 oz ingot, all stamped and certified and everything. You have to understand the philosophy which is related to advanced selling theory. And that is, people NEVER buy the thing they are actually buying. The classic way to state this is: People do not buy drills and drill bits: They buy holes. When they to Home Depot and walk out with an electric drill, they are NOT buying the drill! They are actually buying the freedom to place holes of various sizes when and where they like. This is even more prevalent with a "dream" thing like owning gold (and why do they want to own gold? Because they are not buying gold: They are buying....what? Freedom from fiat money or whatever) where all manner of mental gymnastics are possible. They see store after store "We Buy Gold" and they imagine there must be this incredible reason why people smart enough and rich enough to own and operate retail stores buy gold, but without knowing that even low quality karat junk gold jewelry contains FAR more gold than micro-plating on a few pins and connectors. They simply do not "do the math" and are very likely to be completely incapable of same. They mentally construct this mystical path from electro-junk to owning gold much cheaper than what they'd like to pay for it and the next thing you know......All it takes is a mouse click or two and they can bid the price up to anything they imagine. There's no prerequisite to do the research to determine what the actual yield from a junk computer might be; there's likewise no requirement to ponder how a $300 (new) low end computer or even a sidewalk throwaway can possibly have $100 worth of gold in it. It doesn't take brains or figuring...it just takes mouse clicks.

People risk their lives ripping copper wire out of installations where they're not even sure if power has been turned off. They want, they take. Sadly, in a rough economy, IMO, we ain't seen the depths of where this is likely to go, IMHO.
 
I wanted to add some more color to my interpretation of ebay shill bidding, and how the "auto-bid" mechanism also encourages "step-up", "gotta have it" bidding by newbs. The "auto-bid" deal is, ebay's software will automatically increase any bid a bidder places by nominal increments...say 25 cents on items under $10, 50 cents up to $25, $1 over $50. I don't know if those are accurate numbers, but the point is, suppose an item with a fair value of $25 is offered with a minimum bid of $5. First bidder shows up and bids $16. His bid enters as $5. Next bidder shows up and thinks the item is a steal at the apparent bid, $5, indeed is a good deal at maybe up to $12. So he enters his $6 bid, but the system "rejects" it and notifies him he has to step up higher. OK, $7, no problem. Oops, not enough. Now $8. Nope. $9. Nope, $11. Nope, $13. Nope, $15. Ahhh, the heck with this, I want it, so I'm bidding $20! Finally the system takes his bid. In his haste, perhaps he overlooks the $7 shipping charge. Now he is paying (if he wins) $27 for the $25 item. A long explanation for good old "auction frenzy". Later, maybe someone else will stick it to bidder #2. It also is a factor if the seller has multiple things for sale and will combine shipping. If a buyer REALLY wants something, perhaps they will overpay if the freight can be amortized over several won auctions. Such a buyer will feel better overpaying for any one auction since he is saving on freight, but of course he MAY NOT WIN the other aucs! Well, then he just overpays. ALL OF THIS works against you if you are looking to steal the item.

This used to happen to me all the time when I was buying sterling silver. I had a carefully constructed spreadsheet of what the average 7" and 7-1/4" and 7-12" fork weighed and what silver was worth and what 80% of it was worth. With shipping, I knew what my max bid could be and bid just under that much. I lost many auctions by 25 cents a net troy ounce of silver. I kept encountering the same crew of sharpened-pencil sterling hounds..5 or 6 guys....sometimes I would win, sometimes they would. Most of the time, I was working and working and working to get silver $1 under spot. When silver was $11-$17, it was marginally worth it. With silver at $27+++, that dollar was NOT worth it, it was too small a discount off fair value. At the same time, the other side of the coin (no pun intended) is that overpaying by $1 or $2 became much less of a big deal when the price got into the 20's. So many people didn't mind doing it. When silver frenzy really got going, well over $20, it simply stopped being possible to buy under spot. Some people just don't consider the shipping costs...and of course with sterling silver forks etc; if anyone is looking for an actual replacement for one they lost or dropped into the disposal and wrecked, they will massively outbid a scrapper. Let us not forget that if you do this 50 times, one time, you're going to get skunked. And you can get skunked by finding out that the 7-1/4" forks you just bought weigh 41 grams instead of the 45 grams you expect, they are a light style. So the nickels and dimes you saved working like mad to buy teeny bits under spot can easily get wiped out on one bad deal. By the time real silver frenzy set in, I stopped being interested in acquiring sterling forks as a means of hoarding silver. It was a PITA. It was cheaper just to buy .999 rounds and bars on sale and get what the heck I wanted to get in the first place!

At the risk of sounding like a philosopher, that statement in my prior post "people do not buy drills---they buy holes" is very much worth spending some time thinking about. Outside of necessities; food and shelter, for discretionary items, it is almost impossible to buy the actual thing you walk out of the store with.
 
you know whats even dumber, the people that are paying those crazy prices. I wont, not when you can get plenty of it for free.
 
I use to sell a ton of e-scrap on E-bay, with great results I might add. I never once had to have someone shrill" bid my items. They always seemed to bring stupid money all on their own. Every once in a while I still throw something up there, and the stupid money just rolls in!

Now some will say that I'm ripping people off. No, I'm not. I describe everything truthfully, give exact weights, counts, and sizes, and never estimate yields. It's your money, spend it how you see fit. People overpay for tons of other things at auction every day of the week. As a buyer it's up to you to know fair market value of things you wish to purchase.
 
silversaddle1 said:
I use to sell a ton of e-scrap on E-bay, with great results I might add. I never once had to have someone shrill" bid my items. They always seemed to bring stupid money all on their own. Every once in a while I still throw something up there, and the stupid money just rolls in!
Now some will say that I'm ripping people off. No, I'm not. I describe everything truthfully, give exact weights, counts, and sizes, and never estimate yields. It's your money, spend it how you see fit. People overpay for tons of other things at auction every day of the week. As a buyer it's up to you to know fair market value of things you wish to purchase.

That's exactly what I hope to do in the future if this whole E-scrap hobby works out! I am guilty of buying 23 grams of computer pins for 8.79cad....just recently. I have never processed pins before so I don't really know the "exact yields". I just wanted to try it out. But! I did buy something that i'm hoping has a good yeild, I only have 20$ left in my pay pal so I bought 2 of these -http://www.ebay.ca/itm/121060136285?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649 If anyone has processed them before please let me know lol
 
For your mainstream scrap like CPUs, memory and motherboards, yeah.... ebay is a waste. There are too many people that don't know the scraps true value bidding against each other. Best just to stand back and watch them fight over it rather than to get caught up in it. For the common scrap like computers I don't see the need to pay for it. I have a free internet ad locally that brings in computers from people that want me to come and take it away for nothing. Well, that statement isn't entirely true... It's my time and gas that costs.
You can still make a profit buying PM scrap on ebay. Scour the posts of this forum would be a good start. Find a niche that flies under the radar of the scrap hounds and enjoy the ride. It can be done.

Last week I went to a local government public auction just to feel it out. There was some good e-scrap there but so were the hounds. I watched as they tried not to drool over some servers up for bidding. The stuff sold for good money too. Were they scrappers or re-sellers, I don't know. But the PM content wasn't all that great I thought.
 
masonwebb said:
silversaddle1 said:
That's exactly what I hope to do in the future if this whole E-scrap hobby works out! I am guilty of buying 23 grams of computer pins for 8.79cad....just recently. I have never processed pins before so I don't really know the "exact yields". I just wanted to try it out. But! I did buy something that i'm hoping has a good yeild, I only have 20$ left in my pay pal so I bought 2 of these -http://www.ebay.ca/itm/121060136285?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649 If anyone has processed them before please let me know lol

Here, I'll help you.

Tip #1 - Don't buy anything on ebay with the word "GOLD" in the items description title.
 
Here, I'll help you.
Tip #1 - Don't buy anything on ebay with the word "GOLD" in the items description title.

Haha it seems like all people have to do is put GOLD and SCRAP in the description and people will buy it. But these weren't being sold as scrap so what they contain is a mystery. I hope to at least make the 22.56 i spent back
 
most of these comments are on track. I sell e-scrap on ebay and have been for years. when the super high prices started on pentium pro's i decided to refine one myself. i must have had a better quality good one because i ended up with about .8 grams. .2g for the cover,.3g for the pins,.2 g for theinsides and .1g after crushing the rest to powder and i am sure i didnt get it all.. i quizzed all my buyers to find out why they paid the price they did and asked them what they did with it. most of the replies of the ones that would answer were collectors, restorers and people who used various parts in artwork or electronic jewelry..very few are refiners
 
I think now the people that are buying are refiners paying the large prices. to many people on there having bidding wars, also people that are reselling because of the amount of scrap on ebay
 
A few of my high dollar buyers were speculators. Some were buying from me back when gold was around $1000.00 per. Guess they knew what they were doing even back then.
 
Myself, I am partial to second hand shops, yard sales, junk sales and flea markets. People almost give away priceless items. Got 12 old hard drives for $5.00 and a 14K class ring for $10.00. not bad for an afternoon of browsing. I have come to believe ebay is a rip off. 8)
 
IMHO, saying that eBay is a ripoff is like saying a car dealer is a ripoff. It's the seller's job to get as much as possible for their product. Conversely, it's the buyer's job to pay as little as possible for that product and only buy it if they perceive the value/cost ratio to be adequate. In the vast majority of cases, if one perceives one got a "bad" deal on a car or an item on eBay, then it's your probably their own fault for either agreeing to pay too much, not doing their due diligence and knowing what they agreed to buy, or both. Having said that, it's been years since I've bought anything on eBay due to the sheer volume of people who are willing to pay more for items than *I* believe they're worth.
 
1 difference between ebay and a car dealership is that you don't have people bidding on the vehicle you wan't at a dealership. An item becomes a rip off when you know the actual value and the price is way wayyyy above that. i.e. someone paying 50$ for a pound of scrap lol
 

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