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Clephane

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So im having a problem finding nitric acid. I eas distilling it from potassium nitrate and sulfuric acid. But i broke my glass tarp anyways so untill i get a new one. I need a nitric source. So does sodium nitrate which says its a nitric acid subsitute work? Or should i just wait till i can make more? I was gonna try the jacobs ladder rig to pull nitrogen out of the air lol but i dont think its very strong that way. Let me know your thoughts. Thank u.
Tommy
 
If you plan to use sodium nitrate as a substitute for nitric acid to make AR (Nitric acid/HCl), yes. It's called Poorman's Aqua Regia.
If you plan to use it for dissolving silver, no!

Take care!
Phil
 
So im having a problem finding nitric acid. I eas distilling it from potassium nitrate and sulfuric acid. But i broke my glass tarp anyways so untill i get a new one. I need a nitric source. So does sodium nitrate which says its a nitric acid subsitute work? Or should i just wait till i can make more? I was gonna try the jacobs ladder rig to pull nitrogen out of the air lol but i dont think its very strong that way. Let me know your thoughts. Thank u.
Tommy
Hello Tommy, I purchased 20 ltrs from a farmers supply company , I have no idea what they use it for
regards
 
So im having a problem finding nitric acid. I eas distilling it from potassium nitrate and sulfuric acid. But i broke my glass tarp anyways so untill i get a new one. I need a nitric source. So does sodium nitrate which says its a nitric acid subsitute work? Or should i just wait till i can make more? I was gonna try the jacobs ladder rig to pull nitrogen out of the air lol but i dont think its very strong that way. Let me know your thoughts. Thank u.
Tommy

If you need Nitric for anything except for silver, you can make Laser Steve's cold nitric recipe. I've been using it for many years, It's only 35 to 40% concentration.... But you need the water for the reactions anyway.

"Reaction #1
1) Bring 100 mL distilled H2O to a rolling boil (100 C)
2) Remove the H2O from the heat
3) Add 170 gm of NaNO3 into the 100 mL of hot distilled H2O with constant stirring until fully dissolved
4) Add 56 ml 98% H2SO4 in small portions to the niter solution with stirring, DO NOT let the solution boil
5) Let solution cool to room temperature (DO NOT skip this step or your reaction vessel may shatter!!)
6) Place reaction vessel into freezer or salted ice water bath until the solution temperature reaches -5 C
7) Let solution set for 30 minutes at -5 C
8} Pour or siphon off the liquid nitric acid while cold"

I skip the freezing part and just let it come to room temperature and filter off the remaining salts. Also, I think you can use 202 gm of Potassium nitrate instead of 170 gm Sodium nitrate.
 
Why is that?
The reaction creates sulfate salts as left overs, the stuff that needs filtered out of the nitric. There will always be some left unless you distill the poormans nitric. These residual sulfates will trap some silver and cause losses. Some times these small losses may be acceptable and leaves the user a decision to make about using it for silver or not. Once distilled the decision is easier as the process removes those salts.
 
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The remaining sulfate can be easily removed by stirring in a few grams of saturated Ca(NO3)2 solution followed by settling and finally pour off/siphoning. Add the calcium nitrate solution until no more calcium sulfate forms. Gently heating the acid before the siphoning stage promotes formation of the calcium sulfate. Excess saturated Ca(NO3)2 (within reason) should not cause any problems.

Steve
 
As a side note: Save the Na/K sulfate salts from the nitric acid reaction and use them to make more NaNO3 using saturated Ca(NO3)2 solution and simple filtration. 😉

Steve
 
If you need Nitric for anything except for silver, you can make Laser Steve's cold nitric recipe. I've been using it for many years, It's only 35 to 40% concentration.... But you need the water for the reactions anyway.

"Reaction #1
1) Bring 100 mL distilled H2O to a rolling boil (100 C)
2) Remove the H2O from the heat
3) Add 170 gm of NaNO3 into the 100 mL of hot distilled H2O with constant stirring until fully dissolved
4) Add 56 ml 98% H2SO4 in small portions to the niter solution with stirring, DO NOT let the solution boil
5) Let solution cool to room temperature (DO NOT skip this step or your reaction vessel may shatter!!)
6) Place reaction vessel into freezer or salted ice water bath until the solution temperature reaches -5 C
7) Let solution set for 30 minutes at -5 C
8} Pour or siphon off the liquid nitric acid while cold"

I skip the freezing part and just let it come to room temperature and filter off the remaining salts. Also, I think you can use 202 gm of Potassium nitrate instead of 170 gm Sodium nitrate.
Wow thank you so much. I was at the end of my nitric and was trying to research how to make it. But was striking out on the forum. Was getting desperate. 👍
 
The remaining sulfate can be easily removed by stirring in a few grams of saturated Ca(NO3)2 solution followed by settling and finally pour off/siphoning. Add the calcium nitrate solution until no more calcium sulfate forms. Gently heating the acid before the siphoning stage promotes formation of the calcium sulfate. Excess saturated Ca(NO3)2 (within reason) should not cause any problems.

Steve

From the man himself, saved me from buying lots of expensive nitric... thanks(y)

Is your calculations for the nitric still standing or is there any adjustments we should make for better results.. thanks
 

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