TV Station Expose'

[Dan Dement]

Guys,

Local TV station ran an expose on Gold Buyers and featured us. Thought I would put it out there for review! Basically, they contacted me and it ran on Prime time TV. And no, it did not cost me anything and I do not advertise with them. I sure can not buy this type of advertising.

Dan

http://www.kens5.com/news/consumer/eyewitness/Going-for-the-gold-149583585.html

 

[goldsilverpro]

Very good, Dan. That should bring in some business.

BTW, I recently read in Rose's "Metallurgy of Gold" that certain metals, when alloyed with gold, can cause severe stratification. Zinc was one of these and, of course, zinc is found in the karat golds.

 

[Dan Dement]

GSP,

I will keep an eye on the Zinc content on the Extreme Strat. cases. In reviewing my numbers, Zinc is one of the big movers in the metal which ends up in the center. It really puts to question the pin sample drawing method if they let the metal sit in the cruscible for a minute or so as the Strat. does not take long. I know that you really don't care for the XRF but it does go to show the strengths and weakness's of the different methods. The SG scale I have is really pretty close also. Our member, Lobby has come over and used my equipment and then went back and refined it. I was within one tenth of a percentage point from what he came up with. Considering it took him 2 days and a few scheckels to refine it, for the $5.00 difference, I think he is far better off just cashing out. Just my humble opionon. I want to thank you for all your time and helping us newbies. I really have learned a lot and made several new good friends.

Thanks for taking the time!!

Dan

 

[Lobby]

Hi. My name is Lobby, and I approve of this message.

:mrgreen:

Heck, I'm even shopping for an xrf right now. :shock:

 

[samuel-a]

Hi Dan, Nice video.

scheckels

:mrgreen:

Great promotion aside, this type of article also do wonders to one's reputation.
I'm glad we have you on board.

p.s.- could you clarify your meaning by "Extreme Strat. cases." ?

 

[Dan Dement]

Hi Sam,

One of my first posts which did not go over very well was one questioning the accuracy of the methodology of testing gold. I took many readings with my new XRF (my third) and was finding as much as 5% difference on my readings with my XRF. I did an unusual method of cutting 400 gram bars in half and quarters and was finding almost 5% difference. You are talking about well mixed, induction melted, samples. This little study got some responses mostly of Fire Assay!!!, not mixed well, XRF's not worth the electricity. I did a more extensive study testing ust about every method I could think of and sent it to a few of the truly knowledable guys. Truth is, Gold will stratify this much especially when 5-7% of Zinc is present. Copper and Zinc solidify in the center of the bar and the dead center is the least pure in most bars. I have more toys than most including my third XRF that I find very accurate with an SSD reader and two Alpha Mirage S.G. scales. I have done some testing for one of the guys on this forum whom did take it to pure and my estimate was 57.0 to 57.1, a tenth of one percent off! In my little study which I will forward to you if you want, the copper, Zinc, and PD can really move around in the quick cooling method that I use. I pour from my little Wand Induction melter into an ingot and let it cool only enough to stop moving, then drop in into a Pickle solution in a hot Crock pot.

Refiners or Big Gold Buyers, have developed methods to get the lowest possible readings on Pin samples. By having a very accurate XRF, I have found these out by experimenting over and over. It like the old tale of 6 blind men describing the Elephant: All are correct but no one has the Big picture. I am not the biggest gold buyer here but I buy well into 7 figures a year. From the video, I try to fair and honest with my customers and will always pay the highest in my area. In order for me to extract the most dollars, I will ahve to send 100 oz pure to the bigger refiners. I would much prefer to turn the money and make a smaller profit. I am the Gold Bookie and take my nibble and run. Sorry for the long winded answer. If you would like the study, just PM me your direct email and I will send you the PDF.

Dan

 

[fasTTcar]

What do you think of doing a stir and immediately taking a pin sample?

I do that and test and then pour the bar. I could care less about the bar stratifying, that is my refiners problem. I just want an accurate sample.

 

[Harold_V]

What do you think of doing a stir and immediately taking a pin sample?

I do that and test and then pour the bar. I could care less about the bar stratifying, that is my refiners problem. I just want an accurate sample.

You "could care less"?
That makes no sense. If you could care less, you would. That leaves me with the idea that you care a great deal, so your comment is contradictory to the message I think you are trying to convey. What you really mean is that you *couldn't* care less (that you are totally not concerned). So then, which one is it? Are you concerned, or are you not?

Now the point. It isn't "the refiner's problem"---it's your problem, just as it's a problem for anyone involved. The ultimate goal is an accurate sample. If there is minor stratification, you must discover a means to avoid the problem. It may not be working to your advantage.

Harold

 

[Dan Dement]

Okay TT,

Most refiners that I have seen, take the pin sample with the big cruscible out of the induction melter. Now I have not done studies on quick the Stratification starts but I suspect that it's almost immediate. What I have seen is over a 2% difference in a pin by letting an overheated cruscible set and tilt to almost a 45 degree angle and extract the pin sample from the middle. How do I know is is overheated? Well, the pin sample tubes do not draw well and melt over at the ends when the metal is too hot. I must say that you got to develop your own method to sleep at night. Lots of people discredit the SG method but it sure a very good indication of the total overall purity of a 500 gram bar. I am getting a little less than 1% over the CU setting on my scale. I think I have done just about all the tests and results so I can sleep at night about my returns. All I can say if something better in equipment comes along, I will be the first to buy it and give it a good test. I am very pleased with the 20 second results from my new SSD XRF and the results of the SG. Again, I have had a batch refined to compare and a tenth of one percentage point is close enough for me! Me, I like that 2-3 times a week check which sure protects you from the downward trend we are seeing. I know not everyone is going to agree but I think from a business point of view, it's the most profitable return with the smallest risk.

Dan

 

[fasTTcar]

I am taking my pin sample directly from the center of the crucible while it is still in the induction heater after i stir.

I expect that is the most homogenous I can get it.

The pin samples I am taking are within .1 of my refiners as well, so I expect I am hitting on all cylinders. My last melt was figured at 50.2% and my refiner paid out at 50.33%.

BTW, congrats on the video, should be great for your business.

Thanks,
Daniel

 

[fasTTcar]

What do you think of doing a stir and immediately taking a pin sample?

I do that and test and then pour the bar. I could care less about the bar stratifying, that is my refiners problem. I just want an accurate sample.

You "could care less"?
That makes no sense. If you could care less, you would. That leaves me with the idea that you care a great deal, so your comment is contradictory to the message I think you are trying to convey. What you really mean is that you *couldn't* care less (that you are totally not concerned). So then, which one is it? Are you concerned, or are you not?

Now the point. It isn't "the refiner's problem"---it's your problem, just as it's a problem for anyone involved. The ultimate goal is an accurate sample. If there is minor stratification, you must discover a means to avoid the problem. It may not be working to your advantage.

Harold

My off the cuff remark got caught by the grammar police :lol:

However, your point is taken. My goal ultimately is to have as accurate sample as possible. The bar can stratify all it wants after I get the sample. My refiner will be re melting and sampling as well, so it is not an issue.