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patnor1011
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ok... From time to time somebody mention that Donate now button. And I will do it now and again. If one want to donate cant expect that button will pop up on screen whenever he wishes that it is about time. If you want to donate just do it. I dont think that there is such a will here as most of people think that if informations shared here are free they need to donate/pay for anything. We have 9036 members here and yet only 20 including Steve donated for running this forum. This equal to 0.22% which is very sad thing. If we presume that only 10% of members are active we can say that only 2.2% of active members donated. Dont take me wrong but there was few appeals here for donations but after that poor turnaround of people wishing to send few dollars I cant blame Noxx if one day he will give up. Not to mention that he is not asking anyone to donate becouse it is pointless. There was also post where Juan suggested small contribution to Steve and guess what? 6 people confirmed their donation for his enormous effort which he put into educating and helping thousands of us:
http://goldrefiningforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=3764&p=32004#p32004
If you want to find something you will find that. Goldrefiningforum:
http://goldrefiningforum.com/donations.html
Steves goldrecovery:
http://www.goldrecovery.us/index.asp
Both pages use Paypal donate button.
About generating revenue from advertisements. Not at all good idea. People here want info which is already here and without persuading members to click to advertisements to generate income I doubt about viability of this plan. We are not able to put few bobs in form of donation and yet we cant ask Noxx to invest another great deal of his time to maintain this advertisement-creating-money thing. While we barely covering running costs of this forum who want to invest his time to take care of this? How we can be sure that this person will be doing it for free as Steve, Noxx, Harold, GSP, Lou, and say 10-15 others? It will be another workload to another person and he will have to deal with various complains which will surelly arise from this.
At the end of my rant I do feel sorry that I have donated so small amounts as wealth of informations I gained here is worth thousand times more. But I contributed at least something what I can spare and actually more than people handling tons of escrap or kilos of scrap gold.
Howgh
http://goldrefiningforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=3764&p=32004#p32004
If you want to find something you will find that. Goldrefiningforum:
http://goldrefiningforum.com/donations.html
Steves goldrecovery:
http://www.goldrecovery.us/index.asp
Both pages use Paypal donate button.
About generating revenue from advertisements. Not at all good idea. People here want info which is already here and without persuading members to click to advertisements to generate income I doubt about viability of this plan. We are not able to put few bobs in form of donation and yet we cant ask Noxx to invest another great deal of his time to maintain this advertisement-creating-money thing. While we barely covering running costs of this forum who want to invest his time to take care of this? How we can be sure that this person will be doing it for free as Steve, Noxx, Harold, GSP, Lou, and say 10-15 others? It will be another workload to another person and he will have to deal with various complains which will surelly arise from this.
At the end of my rant I do feel sorry that I have donated so small amounts as wealth of informations I gained here is worth thousand times more. But I contributed at least something what I can spare and actually more than people handling tons of escrap or kilos of scrap gold.
Howgh
Message Loud and Clear, Thanks Partnor, been awhile since I sent in some change, and oh what benifit do we all get from this forum.
let's all put in a little, and keep this forum going.
let's all put in a little, and keep this forum going.
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Anonymous
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Seems every time I turn around these days I catch someone with their hand on my wallet, the owner of the forum wants adversing to generate income while the members do not as has been expressed. Donations have been suggested, I'm opposed.
I suggest that Noxx sign up for one of the pay for distributed computing networks as ( gold refining forum ) you can link a home page to this, then our 9037 members could join the group donating our idle cpu time to earning this much needed income to pay for advertising or whatever.
Noxx is a young man with a long and prosperous future ahead of him so lets lend him a hand.
It's in your ball park Noxx, we have a tad over 69,000 members and growing, some distributed computing sites pay $50,000.00 per month - you do the math. That works out to $45,000,000,000.00 per month.
From the proceeds the forum owner could pay for adversing and make history by being the first to actually pay moderators for their time, and we no longer have to feel guilty about wither or not we made our monthly donation.
Our contribution would be made via the distributing network foundations.
http://www.gomezpeerzone.com/
http://www.geek.com/articles/news/cash-for-your-unused-cpu-cycles-20000630/
Lets hear about distributed computing for dollars, after all we are the MASTERS of computer recycling.
I suggest that Noxx sign up for one of the pay for distributed computing networks as ( gold refining forum ) you can link a home page to this, then our 9037 members could join the group donating our idle cpu time to earning this much needed income to pay for advertising or whatever.
Noxx is a young man with a long and prosperous future ahead of him so lets lend him a hand.
It's in your ball park Noxx, we have a tad over 69,000 members and growing, some distributed computing sites pay $50,000.00 per month - you do the math. That works out to $45,000,000,000.00 per month.
From the proceeds the forum owner could pay for adversing and make history by being the first to actually pay moderators for their time, and we no longer have to feel guilty about wither or not we made our monthly donation.
Our contribution would be made via the distributing network foundations.
http://www.gomezpeerzone.com/
http://www.geek.com/articles/news/cash-for-your-unused-cpu-cycles-20000630/
Lets hear about distributed computing for dollars, after all we are the MASTERS of computer recycling.
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Anonymous
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How distributed computing works, for free or pay.
Years ago I participated in cracking DES and encryption algorithm sponsored by distributed.net who offered a $10,000,000.00 prize in US dollars to the individual or group who found the key.
Combined global computers make one giant super computer and yes DES can be cracked, unfortunately I was not the recreant of the prize money, you can go read up at the distributed website to see what challenges have been offered in the past along with the winners of the prise money.
Super computers are in demand, by using global resources aka distributed networking this is accomplished and affordable for companies not able to afford the purchase of a super computer and this is where we come in. The rend is becoming so that these companies are willing to pay for your idle computer cycles and this can earn the much needed cash to keep this forum up and running. I personally can afford to donate my idle cpu cycles to the forum owner while cash is not so easy to part with.
From the distributed website you would sign up as an individual or join one of the many groups already established. The download a small application, once installed and configured with your membership or group participation data, you were ready to crunch during your computers idle time.
The application you downloaded previously is configurable to how long the computer must be idle before the application has permission to use cpu cycles, you can also set parameters in how much of the ram and cpu resources are permitted to be used.
For instance using distributed net as an example, the site would send you a number of keys or small packets to be crunched, once the application has finished the task of crunching, sends the completed packet back the the distributed net server which in turn sends you a fresh batch.
We're talking KILOBYTES here not megabytes.
On dial up no problem, the application will hold the completed packets until you log onto the Internet.
Aright we have the application installed and it has been working away most of the evening, now its morning and we want to check our email or the latest posts on our beloved gold refining forum. one touch of the mouse or any key on the keyboard sends the crunching application to sleep, releasing all computer resources back to the owner - you.
These applications are not in the least bit intrusive of your privacy, they only use computer cycles as you have outlined in the configuration parameters which you set up when you install the application. You have total control and can terminate from participation anytime you wish.
It would not be a requirement to join any distributed network to be am member of this forum, but one hell of a good way to generate income for the forum owner.
I'm aware that some think I'm a nut case and this in part may be very true, a psychiatrist once asked me if I was crazy or just acting and I told him
" I don't know you tell me"
In the scheme of things 9000 forum members could donate $1.00 per month as anonymous to the forum owner which would be roughly $120,000,000,000,000.00 per year and this I'm opposed to.
I think distributed networking for pay is a much better solution to donations, with group participation on " Gold Forum Team" we can show that we're more than just leaches looking for a free lunch.
Years ago I participated in cracking DES and encryption algorithm sponsored by distributed.net who offered a $10,000,000.00 prize in US dollars to the individual or group who found the key.
Combined global computers make one giant super computer and yes DES can be cracked, unfortunately I was not the recreant of the prize money, you can go read up at the distributed website to see what challenges have been offered in the past along with the winners of the prise money.
Super computers are in demand, by using global resources aka distributed networking this is accomplished and affordable for companies not able to afford the purchase of a super computer and this is where we come in. The rend is becoming so that these companies are willing to pay for your idle computer cycles and this can earn the much needed cash to keep this forum up and running. I personally can afford to donate my idle cpu cycles to the forum owner while cash is not so easy to part with.
From the distributed website you would sign up as an individual or join one of the many groups already established. The download a small application, once installed and configured with your membership or group participation data, you were ready to crunch during your computers idle time.
The application you downloaded previously is configurable to how long the computer must be idle before the application has permission to use cpu cycles, you can also set parameters in how much of the ram and cpu resources are permitted to be used.
For instance using distributed net as an example, the site would send you a number of keys or small packets to be crunched, once the application has finished the task of crunching, sends the completed packet back the the distributed net server which in turn sends you a fresh batch.
We're talking KILOBYTES here not megabytes.
On dial up no problem, the application will hold the completed packets until you log onto the Internet.
Aright we have the application installed and it has been working away most of the evening, now its morning and we want to check our email or the latest posts on our beloved gold refining forum. one touch of the mouse or any key on the keyboard sends the crunching application to sleep, releasing all computer resources back to the owner - you.
These applications are not in the least bit intrusive of your privacy, they only use computer cycles as you have outlined in the configuration parameters which you set up when you install the application. You have total control and can terminate from participation anytime you wish.
It would not be a requirement to join any distributed network to be am member of this forum, but one hell of a good way to generate income for the forum owner.
I'm aware that some think I'm a nut case and this in part may be very true, a psychiatrist once asked me if I was crazy or just acting and I told him
" I don't know you tell me"
In the scheme of things 9000 forum members could donate $1.00 per month as anonymous to the forum owner which would be roughly $120,000,000,000,000.00 per year and this I'm opposed to.
I think distributed networking for pay is a much better solution to donations, with group participation on " Gold Forum Team" we can show that we're more than just leaches looking for a free lunch.
I am a bit surprised that there has not been any response to gustavus’s suggestion.
This seems like a very easy thing for members to do that will support the costs of this forum with no out of pocket expense on their part. It does still leave Noxx with an administration cost as to his time though. I would hope that such a thing if implemented would be picked up and used by the members as it would be voluntary on their part to participate.
Would it not be a fine thing if this actually generated enough income to help put Noxx through college as well as pay forum costs? This is after all the young man that spent money out of his own pocket and pulled a few key people together to start what has become the World Wide Web’s best place to go for refining information all for free. It would be poetic justice that we that are attending this forum for our education could help fund his.
Since others have expressed little interest in this so far I am going to play Devils Advocate for a moment. Can anyone come up with a good reason why this may not be a good idea?
This seems like a very easy thing for members to do that will support the costs of this forum with no out of pocket expense on their part. It does still leave Noxx with an administration cost as to his time though. I would hope that such a thing if implemented would be picked up and used by the members as it would be voluntary on their part to participate.
Would it not be a fine thing if this actually generated enough income to help put Noxx through college as well as pay forum costs? This is after all the young man that spent money out of his own pocket and pulled a few key people together to start what has become the World Wide Web’s best place to go for refining information all for free. It would be poetic justice that we that are attending this forum for our education could help fund his.
Since others have expressed little interest in this so far I am going to play Devils Advocate for a moment. Can anyone come up with a good reason why this may not be a good idea?
qst42know
Well-known member
Excuse my ignorance but this sounds like a money for nothing scheme.
Where does the money come from?
Who has mountains of cash and won't buy the computing power they need?
Security issues with allowing unbridled access to your computer?
Privacy issues?
You would give authorized access to who?
Who stands to lose if this network gets hacked?
Where does the money come from?
Who has mountains of cash and won't buy the computing power they need?
Security issues with allowing unbridled access to your computer?
Privacy issues?
You would give authorized access to who?
Who stands to lose if this network gets hacked?
patnor1011
Well-known member
I am doing this in my computer in work. Just to try it before I will express my opinion. But I was thinking about same things as qst42know. I have managed to clock about 20 hours but my ballance is still 0. I will give it another few days and then I will let you know. For me that donate button is still better and easier option as we are not talking about hundreds or thousands but a few dollars.
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Anonymous
Guest
It would be nice to hear back from partnor1011 on how he is making out with is trial on distributed networking.
On an earlier post Noxx commented that his ad account for generating an income for the forum was closed, your website was more than likely rejected for the improper use of META tags. There is much more involved in hosting a site than using a simple BBB script.
Choosing meta tags can be a tricky proposition, having the right tags will reap you many rewards, use SPAM TAGS, Tags not related to your sites content will bring you grief.
Meta Tags - Internet Library of Law and Court Decisions
http://www.internetlibrary.com/topics/meta_tags.cfm
Since no one is interested in volunteering their idle CPU time to generate an income fro the forum, I'll get off my horse and never bring the topic up again and stick to metal refining.
On an earlier post Noxx commented that his ad account for generating an income for the forum was closed, your website was more than likely rejected for the improper use of META tags. There is much more involved in hosting a site than using a simple BBB script.
Choosing meta tags can be a tricky proposition, having the right tags will reap you many rewards, use SPAM TAGS, Tags not related to your sites content will bring you grief.
Meta Tags - Internet Library of Law and Court Decisions
http://www.internetlibrary.com/topics/meta_tags.cfm
Since no one is interested in volunteering their idle CPU time to generate an income fro the forum, I'll get off my horse and never bring the topic up again and stick to metal refining.
gorfman6154
Well-known member
gustavus said:
I agree with gustavus, it would be nice to hear about his experiences with distributed networking. The good, the bad, and oh yah, the ugly :mrgreen: .
gustavus said:
Gustavus, get back on your horse :lol: . If i get some more info on this topic, i would be interested in trying this out. Give some old computers,new life. And pay for your monthly internet usage to boot!
On one of the links you gave, it says that the max you could earn in a month, is $45, with one computer. Double that with two computers, and so on. Do you have any other information regarding any of this? If so, bring it on!!
Gorfman
patnor1011
Well-known member
gustavus said:
I think that this topic is not dead. Well I downloaded gomez and put it into work. In my work it was not working so good but I suspect that this is becouse they want to see first what you doing - I mean what time are you on to "give your cpu something to do". Later on it start count minutes and actually count them into earnings. I have so far clock 3155 minutes and after they start giving my pc "work" I have clocked 185 minutes processing time which is 0.05$ potential earnings.
To make this system work, we have to choose one /if Noxx is too busy with his colege work/ who will be say main player and everyone willing to participate will register as referrals to boost earnings. If there will be 5% memebers participating say at least as I am at this moment we can make about 300 a year which will pay for hosting. If more people or more time is given to gomez we can have nice hosting plan on some better server with less security and stability issues. That is my humble opinion. This money cant make one person rich but comunity can prosper well from team work which in fact cost you nothing. I have plan to put gomez on one or two idle computers in office which are on all night. Thanks Gustavus for that.
gorfman6154
Well-known member
patnor1011 said:
Thanks for the update patnor1101. I agree that we need one individual to be the go between when we register. Whether it is Noxx(our HERO) or one of the moderators(AWESOME), this way the forum will get the referral credit, along with the earnings from anyone who signs up.
Let me say, i will be the next to sign up, as soon as we get a sponsor and referral code.
I do understand that this Forum requires a lot of time
from the moderators, and if it is to much trouble, i would understand. if that's the case, then anybody who wishes could do it on an individual basis. And then donate to the Forum, as they see fit.I view this as an opportunity, to give back to the Forum. As i don't have a Chemistry/Science, or Refining background, it's a way for me to contribute to this Forum which has been exceptionally free with knowledge and shared experiences. This invaluable information will stay with me forever.
Now it's up to the top dogs and cats :lol:, to have a pow-wow, and decide if they would like to do this. And then let us know what the decision is.
Gorfman
patnor1011
Well-known member
well if they are busy I can volunteer for that with sort of insurance like that I can give my gomez access details to one moderator to control things... we need to start this moving as this is opportunity how to get few bobs together and this will not cost anyone anything... /only idle cpu time /
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patnor1011 said:well if they are busy I can volunteer for that with sort of insurance like that I can give my gomez access details to one moderator to control things... we need to start this moving as this is opportunity how to get few bobs together and this will not cost anyone anything... /only idle cpu time
patnor1011 lets fly with your account until the moderators and the site owner Noxx sort things out. Would one of the Moderators be so kind to add a new heading under the Forum Board Index " Site Credits". where those that have joined can track and banter about daily progress.
We know know that donating idle CPU cycles is going to add some bob to the kitty, and there are a few of us willing to go with this program.
A side note, those running Ubuntu or any other Linux flavor will have to run the Gomez Peer under Wine a windows emulation app.
gorfman6154
Well-known member
gustavus said:patnor1011 said:well if they are busy I can volunteer for that with sort of insurance like that I can give my gomez access details to one moderator to control things... we need to start this moving as this is opportunity how to get few bobs together and this will not cost anyone anything... /only idle cpu time
patnor1011 lets fly with your account until the moderators and the site owner Noxx sort things out. Would one of the Moderators be so kind to add a new heading under the Forum Board Index " Site Credits". where those that have joined can track and banter about daily progress.
We know know that donating idle CPU cycles is going to add some bob to the kitty, and there are a few of us willing to go with this program.
That's very noble :mrgreen: of you patnor.
If the referral code could be posted, we could get started :!: :!:
It would be nice if some other members would join in on this experiment. We could have a self-supporting Forum 8) . It would be a great way to show support for all the time and effort, the Mod's and Admin. have put into the making of this Forum.
Gorfman
patnor1011
Well-known member
What I have learnt today is that their referral program is based on simple payement of 1$ for any person registered. Anyone wishing to register to this pm me your email which you use with registration with gomez and I will send you invitation thru gomez which will be with me as referral.
this is their current rate of pay from their web:
not much but it will add on if enough people participate....
Current Rates
This the current rate schedule for the Gomez PEER program. For the definitions for any of the terms shown here, please consult the glossary. These rates are subject to change in accordance with the current terms of service. Your earnings may not reach the maxiumum amount shown.
Online Time Payments (per day) $0.08
Processing Time Payments (per min.) $0.0002
Referral Bonus (per Active Referral) $1.00
Min. Monthly Payment $5.00
Max. Earnings per month $45.00
End of Cycle 2009-12-31
this is their current rate of pay from their web:
not much but it will add on if enough people participate....
Current Rates
This the current rate schedule for the Gomez PEER program. For the definitions for any of the terms shown here, please consult the glossary. These rates are subject to change in accordance with the current terms of service. Your earnings may not reach the maxiumum amount shown.
Online Time Payments (per day) $0.08
Processing Time Payments (per min.) $0.0002
Referral Bonus (per Active Referral) $1.00
Min. Monthly Payment $5.00
Max. Earnings per month $45.00
End of Cycle 2009-12-31
patnor1011
Well-known member
For the followers...
My Gomez start to processing more and more minutes so I can see some increase finally.
Since registered, from start they have to see if you are suitable for their use and processing time is low, I have these:
Online time: 16185min
Processing time: 2092min
Potential earnings: 0,60$
Now I have more and more Processed minutes everyday. I am using that in home becouse for some reason it is not working on my work computers
My Gomez start to processing more and more minutes so I can see some increase finally.
Since registered, from start they have to see if you are suitable for their use and processing time is low, I have these:
Online time: 16185min
Processing time: 2092min
Potential earnings: 0,60$
Now I have more and more Processed minutes everyday. I am using that in home becouse for some reason it is not working on my work computers
patnor1011
Well-known member
Ok folks little update here.
I am going to uninstal gomez peer program and seriously I do not recommend that to anybody. Here is why.
Very nice program how to show you piece of cheese but attached to string and you will never reach it. One of little catch but major one is that they will not pay until you reach 5$. Ok. I tought that I can wait and I will get that 5$. No - billing or earning closing date is once per month and if you will not get that 5 in a month time they simply reset your Potential $$$ counter to 0 and there you go start again for next month. I have spend 82350 minutes online and they used 11642 of that minutes for processing. I dont know might be somebody from USA or Canada can be more succesfull but I am giving up. It is not worth wearing my CPU and getting nothing. If there will be another idea how to make few bobs to help maintain this site I am up for it but for now I will stick for donations. Hey Noxx how it is looking for this year? Will you update donations page?
I am going to uninstal gomez peer program and seriously I do not recommend that to anybody. Here is why.
Very nice program how to show you piece of cheese but attached to string and you will never reach it. One of little catch but major one is that they will not pay until you reach 5$. Ok. I tought that I can wait and I will get that 5$. No - billing or earning closing date is once per month and if you will not get that 5 in a month time they simply reset your Potential $$$ counter to 0 and there you go start again for next month. I have spend 82350 minutes online and they used 11642 of that minutes for processing. I dont know might be somebody from USA or Canada can be more succesfull but I am giving up. It is not worth wearing my CPU and getting nothing. If there will be another idea how to make few bobs to help maintain this site I am up for it but for now I will stick for donations. Hey Noxx how it is looking for this year? Will you update donations page?
gorfman6154
Well-known member
patnor1011 said:
Patnor1011, i have been running the Gomez program for several months now. According to the Gomez website, if you have less than $5.00 in earnings, at the end of cycle(month) it will roll over to the next cycle. So you still should be accumulating earnings. How much usage you get is based on your location and type of internet connection.. You won't get rich doing this,$3-5 bucks a month, and it probably doesn't cover the electricity used.
If you had a bank of 8-10 computers running 24/7, you probably could reach the max payout of $45. Unfortunately, i only run one at a time
. Good luck, Gorfman
patnor1011
Well-known member
Yeah, that was the idea - to get few euros to help cover expenses with this forum... I know that I will not be rich from gomez. :twisted:
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