I have acquired about 10 pounds of old watch scrap. The first lot (about 5 lb), appears to be very clean, solid links (mostly solid links), and some clasps (and a couple of watch cases). Most of the links were new (probably 2/3's new and 1/3 used). The clasps were about 80% 1/20 12k (also many listed as ".025 gold content"), and about 10% listed as 1/40 RPG and about 10% unmarked. This lot has been incinerated. I have about 20g which I am pretty sure are karat gold, and not filled (12k, 14k and 18k). There is about another 20g that I am not sure (they might be karat, but I am not sure.) I will process this 2nd 20g in with the other known GF scrap.
The other lot was old bands, mostly mens. About 1/10 of these were listed as 1/20 GF caps. The others I could not find any GF markings, but my electronic tested about 40% of those as having both the upper and lower caps as gold (some was HIGH, like 14 or 18k). About 40% had only the top caps as gold, and the other 20% tested as not gold, but looking under a 10x loop, they looked like they were plated, Most of these watch bands were of a type that is like a scissor jack, where the ends were "riveted" together with a rivet link hinge, and a coiled spring in the middle of the scissor.
I have some questionable parts of many of these watches. There were under bands (the upper part), and some of the full scissor parts, which seemed to test as gold. Many of them tested in the 10k range, and some tested MUCH higher, like 18K or even better. These "appear" to be stainless, and even spring grade stainless, but are testing as gold, and some even as higher karat gold. I have separated out these parts, and there are about 200g of this items.
I have a couple questions about processing this scrap. I do have Steve's GF scrap DVD, but would rather use HCL to process, instead of nitric (huge cost difference).
1. Does anyone know of any reason to not try to use HCL in a covered Erlenmeyer flask, packed in sand in an old crock pot, to provide heat?
2. If there is steel (stainless probably), will the HCL deal with this? I know there will be carbon left over from disolving steel, but I think another incineration will deal with that. Is there other problems in trying to remove steel using HCL? I think have pulled much of the steel out, but am sure there still is some in there. I am pretty sure there is some (most), in those scissor bands, and some of the other under bands.
3. What might some of those scissor bands and under bands be (especially the higher testing items)? Could they be platinum? Platinum on my tester, shows up as higher than 18k. Some of these were testing like that. I do not know the age, or origin of these watch bands, but I seem to remember reading, that platinum (80-90%) is very sturdy, and until recently (due to cat converter usage), was cheaper than gold.
4. Could, instead of platinum, this material be some form of Platinum, Rhodium plated material? NOTE, I have not tested any of this, other than quickly testing with my electronic, as I ripped them apart. I have just now finished ripping the bands apart (took about 12 hours, over the weekend).
5. If this material does contain PGM's, then what changes if any, would be needed in the processing, specifically in the base metal removal stages? I am pretty sure I can separate once I get out the base metals, to where I can dissolve the valuables using HCL-CL and separate from there.
Thanks, Jim.
The other lot was old bands, mostly mens. About 1/10 of these were listed as 1/20 GF caps. The others I could not find any GF markings, but my electronic tested about 40% of those as having both the upper and lower caps as gold (some was HIGH, like 14 or 18k). About 40% had only the top caps as gold, and the other 20% tested as not gold, but looking under a 10x loop, they looked like they were plated, Most of these watch bands were of a type that is like a scissor jack, where the ends were "riveted" together with a rivet link hinge, and a coiled spring in the middle of the scissor.
I have some questionable parts of many of these watches. There were under bands (the upper part), and some of the full scissor parts, which seemed to test as gold. Many of them tested in the 10k range, and some tested MUCH higher, like 18K or even better. These "appear" to be stainless, and even spring grade stainless, but are testing as gold, and some even as higher karat gold. I have separated out these parts, and there are about 200g of this items.
I have a couple questions about processing this scrap. I do have Steve's GF scrap DVD, but would rather use HCL to process, instead of nitric (huge cost difference).
1. Does anyone know of any reason to not try to use HCL in a covered Erlenmeyer flask, packed in sand in an old crock pot, to provide heat?
2. If there is steel (stainless probably), will the HCL deal with this? I know there will be carbon left over from disolving steel, but I think another incineration will deal with that. Is there other problems in trying to remove steel using HCL? I think have pulled much of the steel out, but am sure there still is some in there. I am pretty sure there is some (most), in those scissor bands, and some of the other under bands.
3. What might some of those scissor bands and under bands be (especially the higher testing items)? Could they be platinum? Platinum on my tester, shows up as higher than 18k. Some of these were testing like that. I do not know the age, or origin of these watch bands, but I seem to remember reading, that platinum (80-90%) is very sturdy, and until recently (due to cat converter usage), was cheaper than gold.
4. Could, instead of platinum, this material be some form of Platinum, Rhodium plated material? NOTE, I have not tested any of this, other than quickly testing with my electronic, as I ripped them apart. I have just now finished ripping the bands apart (took about 12 hours, over the weekend).
5. If this material does contain PGM's, then what changes if any, would be needed in the processing, specifically in the base metal removal stages? I am pretty sure I can separate once I get out the base metals, to where I can dissolve the valuables using HCL-CL and separate from there.
Thanks, Jim.