Bad News For Gold Buyers/Refiners

[eeTHr]

Sometimes instincts rightly outweigh data. Experience tends to build very sensitive instincts.

I think most people on this forum have learned to recognize certain warning signs, like broken English, wrong jargon, wrong information, wrong business procedures, and gradual layering of "reasons" why the poster must take a top level of trust (that is, they "naturally" can't trust you, but you must trust them at some point). Although any one of these might not be an absolute indicator (everyone here is aware that many great forum members aren't originally English speakers, and they all speak English much better than I could attempt to speak their native languages).

The Original Post seems like it could go either way. It has a degree of reasonableness to it, and he isn't asking for money.

But, with "over 200 right now using the software," it seems like he could have given a lot more explanation of what his software does, that others don't.

One question that came to my mind is, "Why would this guy take the time to zero in on this particular forum and subject, and write such a long post, if it was just a "drive by" to see if he would get any responses?"

So I got to wondering if maybe his real "software" was specialized for dropping spam, rather than what he claims it's for. Then I re-read his post, and found only two instances which actually referred to the specifics of refining. In the first paragraph, he plugged-in a business type, "refining/buying precious metals." In the third paragraph, he plugged-in a corresponding software title, "The Gold Tracker." Other than these two times, the actual specific business or software is never mentioned. The entire remainder of his post is totally generic.

Of course, this isn't enough to convict anyone. But it's something to think about.

If he isn't legit, then he could be just fishing for information. That is, trying to pick up enough specifics and jargon about the businesses he posts about, so that he can seem to be authentic to others elsewhere. Such as some of the elaborate plans, with almost correct sounding terminology, that have been suggested for buying "dust" from Africa, and so on.

So far, it seems like instincts have prevailed (again).

 

[niteliteone]

Eether,
Think ""Google ratings"" :shock:
He gave just enough information to get MANY of us here searching his various names and business's he did mention.
Now he will appear higher in searches :shock:
How many thousands of dollars did he save in advertising to get that :?:
He only spent an hour here, but how many hours did many of us spend "Searching" who or what he is :shock:

Technically, we were just ripped off of that time, only to benefit this persons business, Not ours :roll:

 

[Auggie]

He/she sounds like a young kid that's pretty bright with some computer skills and seems to be trying to make a life for themselves as a business consultant. They perhaps helped a refinery implement some technology at some point and learned about the business through that experience and maybe sees an opportunity in this industry, perhaps targeting mid-sized or mom & pop refineries. So they find this forum and go through the steps of registering for an account and finding the proper forum and they post a polite sales pitch. Personally, I don't see the big deal. I certainly don't see anything they did wrong. Everyone is welcome to ignore the sales pitch posted in the section for sales pitches. In my silly opinion banning them was perhaps rash. Thank you for allowing me my 30 seconds on the soapbox.

"Refiners, Buyers, Assayers, etc.
This category is for Precious Metals related Refiners, Scrap Buyers, Scrap Processors, Assayers, etc. It is the only place on the forum where these companies or individuals can pitch their commercial services. Warning: If this is done in any other forum category, it will be considered spam and will be deleted."

 

[eeTHr]

nitelite---

Good point. I'm not sure how many people would search, or how many searches and page hits it would take to cause a significant effect, but that is a factor in determining search engine positioning (at least it was, several years ago when I had a commercial Web site, and was paying attention to that stuff).

It can also count if his sites or business names are mentioned on another's Web page, such as in his post. It counts more if there is a link to his site, which he didn't leave there (or on his profile page, if that is even crawled by any SE bots).

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Auggie---

I don't know, but it just gives me a feeling that something about it isn't quite right.

:?:

 

[eeTHr]

I should add, about the Original Post, that with the actual generic quality of it, anyone from any industry could have a tendency to "mentally plug-in" their own specifics, as they read it, and thus get the feeling that the guy is actually talking about their particular type of business, rather than just making very generalized comments and suggestions. Which would be kind of a psychologically creepy trick. It certainly makes me wonder.

If you want to see something interesting, re-read the Original Post and substitute "beer/malt liquor making" for where he says "refining/buying precious metals," in the fifth sentence of the first paragraph. And substitute "The Brewery Tracker" for where he puts "The Gold Tracker," in the last sentence of the third paragraph. The whole post takes on an entirely different flavor. Weird, huh?

 

[butcher]

I do not think that Noxx set up this forum as a place for anyone with wares to sell to come here and setup an account and try to gain business, or to just advertise a business (gold related or not), Noxx pays his hard earned money to keep the site going, I do not think he does that to pay his money to advertise for every Tom John and Harry that wants to sell his wares, I believe the forum was set up to help learn to recover and refine gold, and if in doing so a person or member had something to help members learn and also help them with the recovery and refining they would be welcome to also post an add that would help members.

If a company comes here and helps members learn or provides a service to the forum that is one thing in my mind, but to use the forum for free advertisement as far as I am concerned that is spamming, that cost Noxx, and the forum.

Speaking of Noxx paying his money to keep the forum going, I have not been able to donate to help lately, but I will do so as soon as I can.

 

[Harold_V]

This section, Refiners, Buyers, Assayers, etc., was made for those selling their wares and services. He did post in the proper section. What's the big deal? If he is selling a service he did comply and write a detailed post and put it in the proper section. I think including this guy or any other who reveals their intention and does it in this section under the broad classification of spammer is wrong, anyone selling goods or services that may interest our members and is refining related goods or services should be allowed to post here. Without fear of reprisal.

In considering your comments, I've given the OP the opportunity to return to this board and contribute to the ongoing dialogue. However, just as I had suspected at the outset, he has done nothing, not even to return long enough to discover he was banned.

His post is a classic example of a drive-by spamming episode, and my original hunch was spot on. He shouldn't have posted, as his interest is not in helping those who have an interest in refining, but in lining his own pocket. If his post was considered acceptable, why then wouldn't one from a jewelry salesperson also be acceptable? After all, it, too, relates to gold.

I'm dead against that kind of activity, and I've made no secret of the fact. The board is not here to aid others in making money--it's here to help those who have an interest in learning to refine, assuming they are doing their part by hitting the books and reading the forum.

I'm going to leave his registration open, but I'll be more than surprised if he ever returns. His message has already been delivered, so there's no benefit in doing so. His spamming is complete.

Butcher said it the way it is.

Harold

 

[Clneal2003]

Chuckle!

I read his post a while ago, and decided to leave it to see the reactions it might bring. Apparently not too well received!

I'll run him off now.

EDIT:
He has now been re-instated. If anyone finds he should be banned again, please let a moderator know.

Harold

Lol

 

[necromancer]

his process is called "Six Sigma"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Sigma

 

[alexxx]

Not Sure if it will be of any use for anyone on the forum but posting it anyway.

Just in case anyone is looking for a nice software...

We use www.scrapitsoftware.com to manage everything, from the ferrous, non ferrous, electronic scrap, precious metals, refining, etc...

This software does everything we need... accounting, reporting, payable, recoveries, inventory, security, waste management, transit / shipping... everything for a medium / large scale operation.
Very satisfied so far with it. It looks a bit expensive at first glance, but this one paid for itself on a very short period, we saved a lot on mistakes, manual handling, time, etc...

cheers,

Alex