do someone have experience with this process-

[ericrm]

http://www.ehow.com/facts_7572579_salt-water-gold-refining-work.html
to me it make no cense ? do someone understand what they are saying

 

[butcher]

Shor kit, this sounds a little different but much like using the gold as an anode, a porous Coors cup as a membrane, a saturated salt solution, and a cathode, the gold dissolves in solution as chlorine gas is generated from splitting the salt, silver falls as insoluble powder and is trapped in the cup it cannot go through the 5 micron pores of the cup membrane, the gold ions travel through the membrane to the cathode.

I am not sure this is the same process but sounds like it, it will work, I have thought of trying it, but really never got around to it, there are much easier methods taught here on the forum and in Hoke's book, and you would need to refine the gold collected from this process anyway, as I do not believe the gold would be pure as the Shor company would like you to believe.

I do not believe Shor invented this process, but slightly changed the process, or patented their own cell and name change of certain chemicals, they put together a couple of secret commonly available chemicals and made a few kits to sell to people who did not know of the process others have used, they got a patent to sell you something, that you could put together from junk around the house and a few commonly available chemicals, with some instructions you can easily research and find printed before this company was even thought of.

This saturated salt cell has been discussed earlier in the forum, Posts of GSP and Iron's (from memory) had some good information if you are interested in researching the process, I would search for key words like Shor and Coors cup, saturated salt cell. The patent has been posted several times.

 

[Palladium]

it cannot go through the 5 micron pores of the cup membrane.

So people reading this for future reference will know. The correct size is .5 micron. That's one half of a micron, not 5 microns. Just wanted to make sure their is no confusion.

 

[butcher]

thanks very correct, I missed the point.

 

[Palladium]

I devised a different type of set up from the shor system. Instead of using a cup and placing it suspended in a cell I made the cell into two different compartments connected by tubing and in the middle of the tubing it's separated by a porous barrier to block ion transport of the heavier metals. Basically a chlor-alkali cell is all it is. Instead of generating cl at an inert anode your generating cl at a consumable anode that will combine with the voltage potential and the H2O2 to place the gold into solution on one side and make sodium hydroxide solution on the other. Drain and filter the gold bearing side of the solution and heat to drive off oxidizers and drop with smb just like you do with the hcl/clorox method here on the forum. I use the .45 micron size whatman GD/X syringe filter to accomplish this. http://www.whatman.com/GDXSyringeFilters.aspx

http://www.whatman.com/References/gdx.mpeg


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Whatman-Syringe-Filter-GD-X-Sterile-45-Pore-Size-/250897716567?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a6aab5557

All you need is a graphite cathode, one of these, and your gold, and your ready. For less that $20 you can try it for yourself. Just add a little H2O2 for the catalyst and your good to go. One of the problems I see with the coors cup is the problem of clogged pores, even with an anode bag. Them cups ain't cheap or effective for the design of the shor system the way I see it. With these filters here it has a built in pre-filter to help stop that where the cup allows trash to fall into it clogging the pores. Plus your not limited by the cup size. You can make the two compartments as big as you like. Bigger cups = more money. Even with an anode bag the cup is susceptible. With the syringe filter you just remove it and toss it because it is made to be a consumable in the process. Cost ? $5. The filter i have tested with has had 20 + oz of copper run through it so far. I don't have 20 oz of gold to test with so i used copper.

 

[ericrm]

ok thanks to both, now i understand (not completely ...)

so this is not a recovery but a refining process working by electrolysys

ike this setup
http://goldrefiningforum.com/~goldrefi/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=86&t=12344&p=122067#p122067

and rather than just filter after, they put a membrane to avoid gold deposition on the other side

and i didnt get it at first but when they say -(Catalyst powder is added to the solution and transforms the pure gold, but none of the other metals, back into solid form) they talk about smb...

thank for the help, it make sence now