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plamenppp

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Hello, everone. I am new in this forum but I've been keen on precious metals for a few years. Recently, I started collecting old computer parts (cpus, mainboards, video cards, ttc.) from everywhere I could. I have 15 cpus with pins (in Bulgaria we call them legs) cut, 15-20 mainboards from socket A computers, 3 mainboards from comunistic computers called PRAVETZ ( http://www.pravetz.info - click on the british flag to read in English), 5-6 HDDs (they are rich in aluminium, whis is expensive in Bulgaria - 2-3 USD per kilogram), 5-6 CDs, 5-6 FDDs, 20-25 video cards and some other stuff. Today I started looking for useless parts in the firms dealing with repairing computers, and guess what? Most of them gave me parts for free! And they promised to call me when they gather more of them. Some gave me nothing, at all :( But one asked for money. We negotiated and the agreed to sell me cpus (socket A) for 1 lev (lev is the currency in Bulgaria - BGN) whis is less than a dollar (1 USD = 1.32 lev) and mainboars for 1.5 levs. I wonder if this is a good price. I prepaid 30 levs for 30 mainboards and 30 cpus. I looked last night at the forum but the information is so much that I can not read it. Moreover I am a student and I have to study hard. So, my question is: "Do they worth the price?" A wage here is 25 levs (this is a middle wage after taxes) and goldsmiths buy 1 gram 14k gold for 21 levs (and sell it for 30-40-50 levs after the melt it and make new jewels), that is why I start wondering if I can gain some profit. I cut the pins of the cpus because I want to use as less acids and chemicals as possible. It is hard to get acid because they do not sell it to everyone anymore - many people were splashed with acid for revenge. It will cost me more hours with the scissors for wire but I will damage my health less with chemicals. Am I right?

From the Pravetzs I got some very interesting chips - eprom (or something like this). They have small round transparent window in the middle and under it there is a silicon crystal. Under the crystal there is something, that in my opinion is palladium (or may be not). On each one mainboard of the computers there are 7-8 of these. Not only this but also 8 cuplungs/slots(if it is called cuplung) which has gold plated pins (legs) - heavlily plated - all plated from head to toe (about 480 of them). And this is not all! There are also a few transistors with plated legs (3 legs) and plated "bottoms". The one I am really interested in are the condensators (not the cylindric ones). I was told they contain palladium. There are three types of them - blue, brown and green (15 years ago - 1kg of the green ones = 1000 levs). I have collected them in a small box and wonder what to do next - to gather more or smash what I have with a hammer :) There also a large number of these in the FDDs (HUGE FDDs I think 9" or something like this. The diskettes are soft.). There are also trimers - plastic parts with 3 pins/legs. When I smash them inside there are three gold plated parts but the trimers are very small, unfortunately. There are also some other gold plated parts but they are few :( Some of the cables have also plated "end parts". There is also some copper - about 300 grams, some aluminum - about 300 grams, some iron -about 1 kg or more. In the monitor the situation is much different - the are poor in precious metals :( But they are rich in alu, fe and cu. I wonder if there is silver film on the other side of the glass.
I wonder if anyone has ever faced a communistic stuff like this and you tell me how much it cost in gold. A guy asked me for 50 levs per computer + monitor without the floppies.

I also have a friend who can arrange some "cats" for me (the catalyser system in the exhaust system of the cars). How much can I earn from European cats? How much cost the refining of one of them?

Is the surface under the "Pentium pro" gold plated (look at the pictures)?

So, I can get a lot of scrap and I've only searched for it in one town (400 000 residents). I wonder how much costs the mainboard scrap per tone?

I apologize for my terrible English :(
 
I'm turning green with envy, those are some very nice boards from Bulgaria, the gold plating looks extremely heavy. Where I have outlined your boards in red crack those sockets open and have a peek at the underlying pins.

Some recent boards of this era I have dismantled had full heavy gold plating, I expect this is what your going to find.

Remember safety comes first, those chips you want to smash with a hammer not a good idea, lots of dust which is not good for your health and those in your immediate proximity. Use a ball mill these are easy to construct, such as the one below.

Useing a ball mill helps to reduce your labor and keeps dust levels to a minimum.

Some of those mainboards you have may be worth much more to a collector, you can find these on ebay. Try listing one and see what kind of action you get.
 
The red on the picture contains gold! - I removed it a fortnight ago. The green on the picture is supposed to be palladium.

I've already removed the connectors circled in red. There is orange film and this is a good sign. I have a friend who has 20 of these computers. He has also an antique printer as heavy as me! He wants 50 lv for a Pravetz. I bought 2 computers like this, 2 monitors, 1 FDD and two additional parts for 25 levs (20 $) from a noob. 50 is too much for me. They are working machines and have a antique value - they've been made in 1982-1987 and are 8-bits.

I tried to find gold in some old russian TVs. I found some :p In the bulgarian TVs I believe I can find much more.

However the question with the palladium condensators is still on.
 
plamenppp said:
However the question with the palladium condensators is still on.


The brown and blue capacitors are made in your country, without legs and depending on the voltage (volts) and capacity (farad) they contain 0,5%-3% Pd by weight and Ag 1%-5% by weight.

teclu
 
teclu - I fell in love with you! :oops: No one of my friends believed me that this contains Pd. And you wrote that they contain Ag also!!!(THE MISTAKES WERE CORRECTED THANKS TO TECLU)

More pictures from the area - I've just bought 18 cpus for about 14 USD from a computer firm. They had also SLOT 1 cpus but I refuse to take them for now as I am not familiar how much gold they contain. LOOK AT THE FIRS LINE! Less than 1 USD for each one of them 8) I've bought also 20 mainboards for 29 USD (but I think I will not buy any more because the are hard for treatment).

Any idea what the last one is? There are no signs on it :(

In Monday I will fill the trunk of my car with free mainboards and some other stuff.
 
plamenppp said:
No one of my friends believed me that this contains Pl. And you wrote that they contain Au also!!!


Pd=palladium
Ag=silver
teclu
 
I cut the pins of the cpus because I want to use as less acids and chemicals as possible. It is hard to get acid because they do not sell it to everyone anymore - many people were splashed with acid for revenge. It will cost me more hours with the scissors for wire but I will damage my health less with chemicals. Am I right?

You will want to stop cutting the pins from the CPUs, the legs and possibly the lid and silicon chip are often brazed on to the ceramic with precious metal alloys.
 
I recommend that you no longer buy the green fiber CPU's. They are not worth the effort. Older is better. Learn how to read the date codes and try to only buy processors from the 70's - 90's. Newer processors have less precious metals in them.
 
Wow, there's a blast from the past. The green motherboard is from an Apple ][ computer. Can't say for sure but based on the soldered coaxial cable for the video it appears to be a clone, not a real Apple board. You won't likely find much gold on there except in the slot connectors. If any of those TTL chips are in ceramic packages though (for example 54LSxxx series), they're worth cracking open since some have a bit of gold underneath the chip.

macfixer01
 
I stopped buying the green ones. I bought 4-5 of them because I forgot to tell the shop assistant what to bring me. The deal was a deal - I had to buy them. I told him wath I need in the future. Today I will buy more of them for less than 1 USD each. I hope there will be a lot of cpus under 100 MHz.

The green motherboard is in actually a kind of a copy of Apple ][ but with some communistic differences - I can find a lot of them but the prize if HIGH. I will try to negotiate for SLOT 1 cpus for 0.10 USD each, HDDs - 0.15 USD each, video cards - 0.10 USD each.

Today will be a long day ...
 
I have also other brands of this chips. Is there any possibility these to be Pd, Pt or Ag ?
 
The bonding wires are Aluminum, but it is possible that the integrated circuit die is epoxied to the ceramic package ground plane using a conductive epoxy which contains some silver. I'm just guessing that it is possible, I don't have any hard evidence of it though.

Steve
 
Today my day was ruined by my car. The battery has gone empty because I had forgotten to turn of a blinker. With my 25 year old diesel VW (54 hp) it is a disaster. Fortunately, I had a battery charger (I have it for other purposes not for battery charging). Tomorrow it will be ok and I will fill the trunk with completely free electronic scrap. I have a nice COMPAQ cpu - a large one with a strange aluminum radiator. I must admit I wanted to take a picture of it but my desire to disassemble it was stronger I got a tool in my hand instead a camera :( Tomorrow I will take a picture of what is left. I developed some ways of removing the finger part from a slot 1 processors and removing the socket A with the gold plated parts inside it without smashing the motherboard or the slot 1 / socket A adapter. When I am good enough I will send a clip to Steve to post it on his website. I am going to bed now because I have a small exam in German tomorrow. \

Till then - Gute Nacht und aufwiedersehen!
 
It there any point in buying these? I bought one for less than 1 USD today and don't know if it is worth.
 
Try this website:

http://www.thriftybits.com/

It shows some prices per pound and per chip (with pictures) of what this
company will pay for them. That should give you a rough idea of what they
are worth to someone that is probably buying them to refine them (or broker
them in quantity).
 

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