Non-Chemical gold cleanup for sale

[Harold_V]

As a dive instructor I often found myself smelting new lead weights because students would lose my belts.

Interesting. What type of ore did you start with, and how was it acquired?

Harold

 

[butcher]

Harold he might of melted and confuse it with smelting

 

[Harold_V]

That's certainly my guess.

I'm a bit of a stickler when it comes to terminology. Not that I have things right all the time-----I don't. It would be nice, however, if the term smelt was used in the correct sense. Rarely does a home refiner smelt-----the action of recovering metals from ores via furnace. We melt our metals, we do not smelt our metals.

Harold

 

[SilverFox]

As a dive instructor I often found myself smelting new lead weights because students would lose my belts.

Interesting. What type of ore did you start with, and how was it acquired?

Harold

If you had noticed my post was full of typos. I did not think anyone was going to waste the time pointing those out.

As for the Metal used I was melting tire weights, which I got freely from the auto repair down the road from my dive center.

And your right, I was melting them. No ore was involved.

 

[Harold_V]

And your right, I was melting them. No ore was involved.

Just as I expected. However, I hope you can see how others might get the wrong impression.

I don't mean to belabor the point, but we should all try to use proper terms when discussing these issues. All too many toss some words around as if they make no difference, but they do. Those that are trying to learn are often lead in the wrong direction. Without a few speaking out, I can see how poor practices can become commonplace. No one benefits ----- and precious resources and time are wasted with readers pursuing improper guidance.

My purpose here is to try to educate, and share the experiences I had when I refined. I would be remiss in my purpose if I allowed comments that are wrong to stand. Please don't take it personally. Try to learn from the experience, just as others may.

Harold

 

[butcher]

Harold seems Harsh but I think he is really just a softy, and a good one to learn from, I have a hard time with proper terms also but it does make a better forum and we all do benifit, when we can use them, also learning the difference helps me to get more Gold because if'n I melt it it just changes form of the same thing, but if I smelt it with flux in bone ash it can leave me a purer button.

 

[eemtek]

i use celantro as a weekly thing to help prevent metal poisoning.. It bonds with metals in the fat cells and increases metals output in the urine.. Right now im working on the foot electrolosis thing. I didnt believe in it at first, but it does do something that does work.. Its not how the sales pitch says it works, but i think it actually frees the heavy metals back into the blood for the liver to clean.. I actually get really tired for a few hrs after treatment, but feel better than normal after.. when i get a chromatograph running i want to test my blood and urine during these processes.. if anyone knows anything into these, please add into the info..

 

[butcher]

if you have mercury in your gold a retort is one way of dealing with it.

say you have gold, silver, lead. tin,and mercury,and other base metals.

nitric will eliminate most of the base metals,

(this solution has silver, lead and mercury and other base metals (Pd will disolve also)the silver lead and mercuy can be seperated from each other leaving the base metals by adding Hcl to make into aqua regia and treat as noted below)

lead,silver,and mercury are insoluble as chlorides.

gold and tin soluble as chlorides as well as other base metals.

many of these metals would need an oxidizer to disolve in HCL to make them chlorides, example nitric acid in Aqua regia, (4.5 patrs HCl 1 part HNO3) this will dissolve gold (PGM's if heated) and most all other metals making them a chloride solution.

then you will need to eliminate the oxidizer to prcipitate the metals from the chloride solution, boiling will remove the nitric evaporating it boil down to thick syrup but not to crystals add some hcl to keep it wet and do this again three times since we have lead add a few drops of sulfric acid to help it precipitate in later steps. I add some warm water and filter out insolubles from this.

then to this liquid add water to it till at least three times the volume.

this by itself will cause a white precipitant let sit till settle(I let sit over night cooler the better) I usually add a little table salt to see if any more silver is in solution if so it will precipitate a little more.

now this white powder is your silver,lead, and mercury, insoluble as a chloride, these can be seperated from each other. lets call this our silver group precipitant, see below how to seperate these.

the liquid contains your gold,(PGM's) and other base metals like tin copper ect.

I sypher off the liquid (decant) from the white precipitant and filter the liquid then add a precipitant to precipitate the gold (example SO2 gas, ferrous sulfate. sodium metabisufite, ect) this precipitates gold as brown powder let sit 24 hours (which will need rinsing and washed and refined again for purity) decant solution it will contain the PGM's and any base metals, Platinum and rhodium can be precipitated (and if lucky after platinum oxidizes palladium) using ammonium chloride, sodium chlorate will precipitate palladium.

now to seperate the silver group metals from the white powder above containing silver, lead, and mercury.
these are insoluble as chorides in water.
well lead is slightly soluble in boilng water and this can de used to seperate the lead from silver and mercury. boil in water then while hot filter the liquid lead cloride, from insoluble silver and mercury(when the lead chloride solution cools it will re precipitate the lead chloride)..

now ammonia will disolve silver but not the mercury this can be used to seperate them, by adding ammonium hydroxide disolving silver and filtering from insoluble mercury (which will not disolve in ammonia).

now since this silver solution still contains a chloride by adding nitric to make the base NH3 back to a acidic solution with HNO3 the silver will precipitate as a chloride and in sunlight silver chloride turns kind of gray violet looking.
that will leave the insoluble mercury, to test can be disolved in a little dilute Aqua Regia and hag a piece of copper wire into it the mercury will plate to it, wiping copper wire will show a bright shining coating of mercury plating.
I hope I didnt make to many mistakes on this.

 

[eemtek]

Be aware though this is a heavy metal and though the fumes are VERY BAD. It can also be absorbed through the skin. The metal will never leave you and will wait until enough is absorbed before it begins to cause real harm. Ray

check you blood work first for metal/toxins. then start eating fresh celantro / basel and garlic.. dont cook or pickel it up, just eat it fresh with food. best cure for heavy metals i have found next to edta iv injections.. I do those ionic foot baths too, i test the water before and after. and even let the unit run to test the water after it.. metals do come out as salts.. my feet feel like sharp pins sometimes. I runt the machine with some epsoms. If your really daring, use leg above the water as an anode, use the tens patches.. then use the water as a cathode, graphite rods work well.. do one foot at a time and adjust voltange and amperage until uncomfortable.. My foot felt like it was on fire.. like something trying to come through.. the water was a differnt smell this time.. smelled like gas.. moral of story, this placebo makes me do feel good in the morning..

 

[nicknitro]

EEMtek,

This sounds interesting. I thought you were talking about thos Kinoki Foot Pads at first. i don't think I'd have enough gall to try this though.

Clemhz, What was your question again? This might help us all get back on track.

Good Luck,
Nick

 

[eemtek]

the footpads do kinda work.. basically sweating works better.. fresh celantro has enzymes that actually dig in your fat cells and pull out heavy metals. then it is excreted in urin.. fresh garlic.. eat lots til you smell it.. it really coats your lungs with mucus that has sulfates in it.. i did it once where i ate a whold garlic clove set with a meal.. few hrs the smell came.. vampires were scared.. but later that night i coughed up phlem and examined it. it had fibers.. fiberglass fibers! if i am right i was working with fiberglass 3-4 weeks earlier.. what else did it drag up.. my guess if you freshly tar your lungs everyday, this will not work on you..

these are suggestions, as with all medicin, it doesnt work on everyone.. or we would be clones :lol:
hope it helps.. also look into chlorene and cancer, then check cyanide and cancer.. pick your evil

 

[rainmaker]

As for removing mercury safely, I read that the old timers would place their gold/mercury sponge in a hollowed out potato, wire the halves together and bake it. The heat would vaporize the mercury and when you opened up the cut potato all you would find was your gold.

rainmaker

 

[4metals]

I heard about the potato trick while at Keene Engineering in the 80's we were there to buy a retort to take to Ecuador for cleaning up our amalgamations. There wasn't a heck of a lot to do at night in the Oriente (the Ecuadorian outback) so one night we tried it while sitting by a campfire with the wind to our backs. It works! Just don't eat the spud!

 

[Anonymous]

I am a newbe, but at least I recognize I have a lot to learn. Want to as fast as I can too.

Harold_V mentions a great book by Hoke. Tried to find it, but not enough info.

How about a title and/or full author's name? Thanks in advance.

Great site, exactly what I am looking for! 8)

 

[jimdoc]

Just look at the bottom of any of this member's posts; PalladiumThere is a link to the Hoke's book there as well as some other good info to download.
Jim
This link will work;
http://www.goldrefiningforum.com/phpBB3/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1666