Ounce of Palladium

[kelly]

Over the next month or so, I’m going to be off loading some of my Palladium obtained from organ busbars. I’ve got an ounce ready to go now. I’ll cover shipping and insurance. I would prefer to sell the entire ounce to one person, but would be willing to split it up into smaller lots if no takers for the full ounce.
Please PM me with offers.
Thanks,
Kelly

 

[MiguelRosas]

Kelly -

I'll take it. Depending on the purity, settlement can be either 97% or 98% of Spot value.

Feel free to give me a call or shoot me an email with any questions.

Miguel Rosas
972-239-0597 (off.)
214-629-3093 (cell)
[email protected]

 

[kelly]

Thought I'd give an update on this:
I sent 31 grams to Miguel at Hi-Tech. The good news is that they did pay out at 98% of spot, which considering it was only about an ounce of material, I thought was pretty good. The bad news is there was a 4% melt loss, which to me seemed excessive. To be honest, I do not know what the purity of the material that I sent was. It was wire pulled from organ busbars. The after melt assay was 99.14%.
As an aside, from 270 individual 26" busbars, I obtained 52.3 grams of Pd. This equates to .1938g per busbar or .007456g per inch.

 

[jimdoc]

Thought I'd give an update on this:
I sent 31 grams to Miguel at Hi-Tech. The good news is that they did pay out at 98% of spot, which considering it was only about an ounce of material, I thought was pretty good. The bad news is there was a 4% melt loss, which to me seemed excessive. To be honest, I do not know what the purity of the material that I sent was. It was wire pulled from organ busbars. The after melt assay was 99.14%.
As an aside, from 270 individual 26" busbars, I obtained 52.3 grams of Pd. This equates to .1938g per busbar or .007456g per inch.

There are different lengths of bussbar in Hammonds, depending on how many keys are in each section.
I think you have 44 keys or 61 keys per section. Were all of the ones you had the from the same type?

Jim

 

[Lou]

They are pure Pd if clipped clean.

 

[Marcel]

Melting palladium is really difficult (at least to me), it tends to oxidze extremely fast. I am by no means a pro, my losses were always more than 10%. I guess it takes a very special equipment to melt it without losses (oxygen-free). From one refiner who did some Pd for me I heard that they alloy it with platinum to avoid losses. So melting Pd is really tricky...

 

[jimdoc]

I just picked up an M101 yesterday. Had to take it out of the house in pieces.
I don't know how they got it in there, but I knew how to get it out.

Jim

 

[Lou]

Melting solid, clean Pd with O2/H2 there is a net weight gain from oxides, regardless of how careful you might be with the H2 ratio.

Melting sponge, briquetted or pelletized by induction under Ar, there is virtually no melt loss.


Pd black is a different story, by torch, much is blown away as sparks.

 

[kelly]

Jim,
This batch was from L100's and all the same length, 26". Thats why I decided to get some yield data. If I remember right the M-3's have 12 busbars that are 26", 4 of them 22" and 2 of them about 21", for a total of 18 busbars.

Lou,
Couple of questions...These busbars were all the same composition and I assumed some nickel coumpound as it was magnetic, but lost its magnetism upon being heated. No evidence of any plating. The busbars were soaked in cold (~30F) HCL for 2-3 days, after which the Pd peeled right off and was bright and shiny. The busbars themselves were dull and the solution was pale yellow. After melting with O2/H2, is the weight gain permanent? Worded another way, 4% melt loss was excessive? I guess I'd rather be told I would be paid 94% than have it show up in "melt loss".

Wanna buy some Paladium? 8)

 

[Lou]

Jim,
This batch was from L100's and all the same length, 26". Thats why I decided to get some yield data. If I remember right the M-3's have 12 busbars that are 26", 4 of them 22" and 2 of them about 21", for a total of 18 busbars.

Lou,
Couple of questions...These busbars were all the same composition and I assumed some nickel coumpound as it was magnetic, but lost its magnetism upon being heated. No evidence of any plating. The busbars were soaked in cold (~30F) HCL for 2-3 days, after which the Pd peeled right off and was bright and shiny. The busbars themselves were dull and the solution was pale yellow. After melting with O2/H2, is the weight gain permanent? Worded another way, 4% melt loss was excessive? I guess I'd rather be told I would be paid 94% than have it show up in "melt loss".

Wanna buy some Paladium? 8)

I can't comment on whether the melt loss was excessive or not; I never saw the material In any case, it is not customary for us to melt high grade PGM when we can dry sample and digest or else digest and solution sample. We use XRF for sorting but not for settling.

The weight gain is due to oxygen dissolving in the palladium. In fact, you can dissolve hydrogen in palladium buttons, causing them to swell.

An ounce is likely too little for a refiner to use an induction melter on (if they indeed have one for dedicated PGM use).

94% is still a good price and 98% is an outstanding quote on Pd, if not a little unrealistic without a very carefully managed system.

 

[Esau Nisalile]

Hi all,
May you enlighten me what is this kind of scrap material you call animal organ,that have busbars of which to my knowledge I know only those from electrical switch gears, Iam from Tanzania East Africa and would like to hunt such type of scrap.
Regards,
Esau

 

[etack]

Hi all,
May you enlighten me what is this kind of scrap material you call animal organ,that have busbars of which to my knowledge I know only those from electrical switch gears, Iam from Tanzania East Africa and would like to hunt such type of scrap.
Regards,
Esau

I think something is lost in translation. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sorry.

Its not "animal" organs its "Hammond" Organs like what the beatles payed on.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Hammond%22+Organs&aq=f&oq=Hammond%22+Organs&aqs=chrome.0.57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

hope this helps

Eric