jason_recliner
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I figure it's better to ask something stupid than do something stupid. I think I know how to best continue, but wanted to run it past the stupid filter.
I apologise if this has been well answered. I have been looking for an answer to similar questions to this all week. I've learned several other good things though.
I'm running another e-crap recovery. It's mostly pins, fingers, the odd ceramic and fibre CPU and a bunch of old Centronics connectors with heavy plating, and a few crushed RAM and old GPU chips. There's also one Pentium 4 heat spreader which when I scratched it looked like it was made of copper. I avoided everything solder as best as I could but I know there's a very small amount in there. The plan this time was to leach in AP as before, only without 1/3 H2O2 this time, so that I'd have more foils and less cement. With advice in mind that Butcher and Solar gave someone recently, I was not too worried about lead yet if boiling water washes can rid me of that. Though I'm not up to that part yet, I still have to find how to dispose of that responsibly - Lead dissolved in hot water. (The copper > iron > salt method I'm familiar with.)
I poured on some 32% HCl which within seconds went a very pale grey colour. Perhaps I may have missed the tiniest amount of thermal gunk or something. It was oh so very pale and didn't get any darker with time so whatever it was, I figured it was all taken up pretty quickly and hopefully not to worry about.
After half a day in plain HCl on the hotplate with no effect (I understand that to be perfectly normal), I also dumped in a little of some used, quite dark, AP solution from my Bluetooth antenna dissolvings. I'm not convinced in hindsight there's not iron in it as it didn't go bright green. I added a fish tank bubbler. Still not green. All day on the hotplate and with still nothing seeming to be degrading, I added just a splash of 3% peroxide and a small piece of copper. When I dipped a strip of copper foil in it for a moment, it came out "you've been dipped in acid" pink. Ok! Now we wait.
A week later and it's sort of paused. Foils are still not coming off pcb. But a lot of other stuff had degraded. But the interesting thing is the solution. There's a dark layer on top and a clear layer below. I wonder if my problem is iron. Maybe I have ferrous or ferric chloride. Googled their masses and they have a high specific gravity, so shouldn't float on top of copper chloride or hydrochloric acid, should they?
One thing is almost certain to me: that there would be zero gold in solution. Stannous chloride already says no. (Can you get false negatives caused by tin in solution? I'm now well experienced in false negatives due to excess sodium nitrate! )
If I stir the top layer, I get a nice golden foil snow dome effect that you can't see in the photo. Rather than add more acid, I believe my best step forward is to filter all solids, chuck out liquids and make up some fresh AP with copper and when it's ready, add that.
My question is: what you think is in the dark top layer? [Edit: There's actually a much more defined layer distinction than visible here. I'd run the bubbler for about 15 seconds before turning it off for a photo.]
I apologise if this has been well answered. I have been looking for an answer to similar questions to this all week. I've learned several other good things though.
I'm running another e-crap recovery. It's mostly pins, fingers, the odd ceramic and fibre CPU and a bunch of old Centronics connectors with heavy plating, and a few crushed RAM and old GPU chips. There's also one Pentium 4 heat spreader which when I scratched it looked like it was made of copper. I avoided everything solder as best as I could but I know there's a very small amount in there. The plan this time was to leach in AP as before, only without 1/3 H2O2 this time, so that I'd have more foils and less cement. With advice in mind that Butcher and Solar gave someone recently, I was not too worried about lead yet if boiling water washes can rid me of that. Though I'm not up to that part yet, I still have to find how to dispose of that responsibly - Lead dissolved in hot water. (The copper > iron > salt method I'm familiar with.)
I poured on some 32% HCl which within seconds went a very pale grey colour. Perhaps I may have missed the tiniest amount of thermal gunk or something. It was oh so very pale and didn't get any darker with time so whatever it was, I figured it was all taken up pretty quickly and hopefully not to worry about.
After half a day in plain HCl on the hotplate with no effect (I understand that to be perfectly normal), I also dumped in a little of some used, quite dark, AP solution from my Bluetooth antenna dissolvings. I'm not convinced in hindsight there's not iron in it as it didn't go bright green. I added a fish tank bubbler. Still not green. All day on the hotplate and with still nothing seeming to be degrading, I added just a splash of 3% peroxide and a small piece of copper. When I dipped a strip of copper foil in it for a moment, it came out "you've been dipped in acid" pink. Ok! Now we wait.
A week later and it's sort of paused. Foils are still not coming off pcb. But a lot of other stuff had degraded. But the interesting thing is the solution. There's a dark layer on top and a clear layer below. I wonder if my problem is iron. Maybe I have ferrous or ferric chloride. Googled their masses and they have a high specific gravity, so shouldn't float on top of copper chloride or hydrochloric acid, should they?
One thing is almost certain to me: that there would be zero gold in solution. Stannous chloride already says no. (Can you get false negatives caused by tin in solution? I'm now well experienced in false negatives due to excess sodium nitrate! )
If I stir the top layer, I get a nice golden foil snow dome effect that you can't see in the photo. Rather than add more acid, I believe my best step forward is to filter all solids, chuck out liquids and make up some fresh AP with copper and when it's ready, add that.
My question is: what you think is in the dark top layer? [Edit: There's actually a much more defined layer distinction than visible here. I'd run the bubbler for about 15 seconds before turning it off for a photo.]