Shor redesign

[Palladium]

As everyone knows i can't stand that shor thingy ( fizzer cell ). I have been wanting to redesign it every since i saw the cheapness of the product. The technology is there, so is the market for it, it's just cheaply designed and built is my complaint. I like the disclaimer they have on their site " For industrial use only". :roll: I'm going to build a real Industrial model for my experimenting with. Here is my question to the forum.

What would you change about it and why? What do you see could make the product more functional or more user friendly? If you have used or bought one what is your opinion? I don't want to give away my design yet because i kind of want to get some unbiased input from what everybody else would do and how they would do it. Market research. :mrgreen: I will tell you that i have compiled a list of materials and the cost is looking to be in the $250-300 range. Note: That's with built in power supply, not a battery charger. Any ideas?

 

[Palladium]

Ok I’m back again. I've ordered most of the materials i need for my little project. I've got a question for the ones who have dealt with cells before. This is my first venture into cell refining. What would be the best way to suspend the ingot into the solution? Shor recommends soldiering a silver wire to the ingot and suspending the ingot from the wire. Is that the shor way? Is that the best i can do? Could you also drill a hole in the center or somewhere else and suspend it? How do you guys do in on a large scale? I want this to be right. 8)

 

[rusty]

Cast the anode with tabs that sit on the buss.

 

[Irons]

Hang the anode from a piece of Titanium strip. That should last a very long time.

Grade 1, 2,3,4,7,11

Grade 1 is the best CP Titanium, 7 and 11 Have a small percentage of Pd for added corrosion resistance.

 

[Palladium]

That’s my problem is the contact point. I'm building this as a mirror to shor as far as marketing goes. The product will be commercial in nature but still needs to be applicable from a novice point of view. You know, KISS. How would you attach it by ti strip at the point of contact to the ingot, or does it need only surface contact. I don't want to have a flaw or something you always have to fiddle with like scrapping or removing the material to fool with it.

 

[Irons]

That’s my problem is the contact point. I'm building this as a mirror to shor as far as marketing goes. The product will be commercial in nature but still needs to be applicable from a novice point of view. You know, KISS. How would you attach it by ti strip at the point of contact to the ingot, or does it need only surface contact. I don't want to have a flaw or something you always have to fiddle with like scrapping or removing the material to fool with it.

Why don't you use a compression contact. You could use a lock nut to hold he contact tension. This way, odd shaped anodes won't be a problem. That makes it a lot easier for the operator not having to cast a specific shape Anode. Titanium has a bit of spring to it. Pat. Pending.. :mrgreen:

 

[Palladium]

I've thought of that. I've been looking for something like a ti alligator clip.

 

[Palladium]

What do you think of No. WF1 ? It's a clip 3 in long. The cell is 4 in deep.

 

[Lou]

Hang the anode from a piece of Titanium strip. That should last a very long time.

Grade 1, 2,3,4,7,11

Grade 1 is the best CP Titanium, 7 and 11 Have a small percentage of Pd for added corrosion resistance.

Sure it's not Ru?

 

[dtectr]

Ok I’m back again. I've ordered most of the materials i need for my little project. I've got a question for the ones who have dealt with cells before. This is my first venture into cell refining. What would be the best way to suspend the ingot into the solution? Shor recommends soldiering a silver wire to the ingot and suspending the ingot from the wire. Is that the shor way? Is that the best i can do? Could you also drill a hole in the center or somewhere else and suspend it? How do you guys do in on a large scale? I want this to be right. 8)

NOTE: :!:
DISCLAIMER: :!:
I've done NO silver recovery !!! :!:
I'm still very new - is this for a Silver cell? If so, someone here recommended (I don't remember either the Recommnd-er or Recommend-ee, sorry) melting the tip of a piece of fine silver wire, then casting the ingot AROUND it. The refiner/member was very pleased with that recommendation - it seemed to simplify things.
FWIW

 

[Irons]

Hang the anode from a piece of Titanium strip. That should last a very long time.

Grade 1, 2,3,4,7,11

Grade 1 is the best CP Titanium, 7 and 11 Have a small percentage of Pd for added corrosion resistance.

Sure it's not Ru?

No, the spec says Pd .2%



http://books.google.com/books?id=HgzukknbNGAC&pg=PA285&lpg=PA285&dq=type+7+Titanium&source=bl&ots=KZ70ci4E2N&sig=rLMimbIJrSWrhB46f9hG1e5jByk&hl=en&ei=rtheTbe0OMPpgQesoZHkDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CD8Q6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=grade%207%20Titanium&f=false

 

[Palladium]

Back again. I still haven't figured the power supply issue out yet. I don't want a battery charger. I want a built in power supply capable of delivering a constant 10-15 amps. Anyone have any recommendations as to what would work best?

 

[Barren Realms 007]

What are you currently using for a power supply? Or maybe I should ask what is the power supply you are using rated for on continuous duty?

 

[Palladium]

I'm not using anything for a power supply yet. I'm still building it.

 

[Barren Realms 007]

Check over at grainger.com.

 

[Harold_V]

I want a built in power supply capable of delivering a constant 10-15 amps. Anyone have any recommendations as to what would work best?

Ralph,
You might consider looking in to rectifiers used in small anodizing lines. They are quite sophisticated in that you can dial in constant voltage or constant amperage. They have them in the 25 amp range, and maybe even somewhat smaller.

Harold

 

[Oz]

I'm not using anything for a power supply yet. I'm still building it.

Knowing you I would suggest you just buy a lab grade power supply (get it on the cheap of course). Since you have now decided to pursue electro refining you will try other things along the same lines other than your current project. Having fine control over voltage and amps will allow you to perfect a process on a given cell design, as well as allow you to try other designs as a comparison.

Once you have found your winning combination, then design or build the power supply required for a “production” unit.

 

[Palladium]

I have a couple of used power supplies I use for my experiments. What i'm looking for is some type of off the shelf package deal I can just order and install for my power supply needs. I need it to fit in a 12 X 6 X 6 space. Once I build this one and test it to verify the quality and functionality of the unit I will be building more and need a source for future builds. I've thought of building one with adjustable voltage and amperage, but keeping the consumer base in mind and knowing that most people would not even understand what to do with the added features I have decided to keep it KISS. The unit will have digital readouts for both amperage and temperature ranges. The unit will have built in temperature controls. Not adjustable, but controlled with a temperature cut out switch to limit the temperature on the high side range (180 F). It has built in cooling fans to keep the temperature in range. The system is built completely from ½ HDPE and ti screws. The top is a clear ½ acrylic sheet that allows for viewing without removing the top of the cell and is lighted for easy viewing. It will come with a 10 stage scrubbing system made of 1 ½ in acrylic tubes 16 in long packed with glass beads. I want to build a quality product that when people hear the name it just screams quality and not just some cheap shor design. The only thing anyone should ever have to do is replace consumables. This cell will be a Fizzer cell only!

 

[Palladium]

Anybody got a comment on the top one. http://www.nitrorcthunder.com/Power%20supply.htm

 

[qst42know]

At what voltage does a fizzer cell operate?