Sodium Hydroxide Solution Error Help

[user 72646]

Looks like something in the PGMs family to me. Desolve a little bit in a bit of AR & test it.

Kurt

Hi Kurt...
This copper wire was placed in a positive gold solution overnight...has it cemented gold?
Solution is clear and filter Black... This is after smh drop.

Let me know your thoughts

MM

 

[user 72646]

Is this the same as in your other thread?

Hi yes.
After I tested the solution I filtered and left a copper wire in solution over night.
Now wire is Black and solution is a lots cleaner, could be an oxide but I do not have knowledge .

 

[Yggdrasil]

Newbie question

I have some gold solution. Positive on stannous test.
I placed a copper wire into solution over night, now wire is black.
Has this cemented gold from solution?
The solution is pretty clear cotton filtered.

Filtered solution looks very clear, with a lot of black powder in filter.
Any feedback appreciated

MM

I have moved your posts here as this is where you started.
And double posting is against the forum rules.

Obviously you have not read the rules, nor studied much, as it is quite obvious from your questions.

How about packing your stuff and come back when you have studied?

Your description of your stannous do not indicate Gold.
Your described process should not dissolve Gold.
Ergo it is highly unlikely there is any PMs in solution.

Before you pack your stuff, take picture of your Stannous tested on paper the way we described.

Then come back with a plan we can accept or adjust before you try anything more.
By the way, this kind of Copper strands are not well suited, the best is thick Copper sheets, opened pipes or bus bars.

 

[Shark]

How about packing your stuff and come back when you have studied?

Then come back with a plan we can accept or adjust before you try anything more.

Please pay attention to these comments. It is the best advice in this whole thread.

 

[Golddigger76]

Always test your solution with stannous chloride after you precipitate or cement and that will confirm if you still have gold or PGM's in solution regardless of the color of your solution, that is really the only way you are going to know for sure.

 

[user 72646]

I have moved your posts here as this is where you started.
And double posting is against the forum rules.

Obviously you have not read the rules, nor studied much, as it is quite obvious from your questions.

How about packing your stuff and come back when you have studied?

Your description of your stannous do not indicate Gold.
Your described process should not dissolve Gold.
Ergo it is highly unlikely there is any PMs in solution.

Before you pack your stuff, take picture of your Stannous tested on paper the way we described.

Then come back with a plan we can accept or adjust before you try anything more.
By the way, this kind of Copper strands are not well suited, the best is thick Copper sheets, opened pipes or bus bars

Hey Yggdrasil

I did the test you suggested and it was still positive on my stannous...i know it sounds like i'm getting this wrong, but your advice is proving I'm getting it right.. Or at least progressing
I must not be explaining myself or posting too much and confusing you with inconsistent information.. apologies...
With this being said I am listening to everything you are suggesting, and it is working........
Your stannous test suggestion WORKED
Copper cementing advice....WORKED
"Every piece of information" I have got on this forum has worked..........
Now I'm at this stage.
Positive Gold Powder.....

Thanks!!!

 

[Yggdrasil]

Hey Yggdrasil

I did the test you suggested and it was still positive on my stannous...i know it sounds like i'm getting this wrong, but your advice is proving I'm getting it right.. Or at least progressing
I must not be explaining myself or posting too much and confusing you with inconsistent information.. apologies...
With this being said I am listening to everything you are suggesting, and it is working........
Your stannous test suggestion WORKED
Copper cementing advice....WORKED
"Every piece of information" I have got on this forum has worked..........
Now I'm at this stage.
Positive Gold Powder.....

Thanks!!!

The problem is amongst other things.
You have not used any process that should put any appreciate amount of Gold in solution.
If you have not put the Gold in solution, it can't be precipitated nor cemented.
Unless you have done things not in your "step by step" list.

 

[user 72646]

Hi
I ran out of SMB so I took a sample of a filtered solution (sand) in picture 0.5 gram and
Added 35ml Sodium Hydroxide and 1 sugar cube. Small experiment
I now have a gold looking solution, with some Black specks floating & golden brown bits that are dissolving albeit slowly..
And a white silver sulphate looking cloud in jar... (I added tap water)
And a Black slick on the surface..

Any thoughts...
Has the Sodium Hydroxide and Sugar precipitated gold from the sample added from filter paper.

Thanks in advance

 

[eaglekeeper]

I'm a bit confused... are you trying to drop gold?...

The sugar and lye method is for processing silver chloride.

 

[Yggdrasil]

Hi
I ran out of SMB so I took a sample of a filtered solution (sand) in picture 0.5 gram and
Added 35ml Sodium Hydroxide and 1 sugar cube. Small experiment
I now have a gold looking solution, with some Black specks floating & golden brown bits that are dissolving albeit slowly..
And a white silver sulphate looking cloud in jar... (I added tap water)
And a Black slick on the surface..

Any thoughts...
Has the Sodium Hydroxide and Sugar precipitated gold from the sample added from filter paper.

Thanks in advance

What is it with you!!!
Once again you have made a new thread for your ongoing project, which I have moved again.

You have been advised to put your stuff away and study, then come with a plan so we can advice if it is sound or not.
What you have done now is to neutralize your non Gold bearing solution and dropped what ever was in there as Hydroxides.
And to make things worse added an water soluble organic compound into it and made the initial mistake even worse.

This process is for Silver Chloride and do not work on anything else.

Silver Sulphate do not magically appear out of the blue, when there are no Silver nor Sulphate ions in the solution.
WE DO NOT DO ALCHEMY HERE!!!!!!!

I'm starting to itch in my fingers to ban you, start studying and ask for advice before you do something,
not after you have made the mess.
And start heading the forum rules Please!!

 

[galenrog]

Hi
I ran out of SMB so I took a sample of a filtered solution (sand) in picture 0.5 gram and
Added 35ml Sodium Hydroxide and 1 sugar cube. Small experiment
I now have a gold looking solution, with some Black specks floating & golden brown bits that are dissolving albeit slowly..
And a white silver sulphate looking cloud in jar... (I added tap water)
And a Black slick on the surface..

Any thoughts...
Has the Sodium Hydroxide and Sugar precipitated gold from the sample added from filter paper.

Thanks in advance

Why did you do this? Please be specific.

Where did you learn this procedure? Please be specific.

Time for more coffee.

 

[user 72646]

Why did you do this? Please be specific.

Where did you learn this procedure? Please be specific.

Time for more coffee.

I'm a bit confused... are you trying to drop gold?...

The sugar and lye method is for processing silver chloride.

 

[user 72646]

I'm a bit confused... are you trying to drop gold?...

The sugar and lye method is for processing silver chloride.

Hi Eaglekeeper
Thanks for this.
I saw in forum that gold could be dropped by sodium hydroxide and lye..
I noticed the silver sulphate. growing in solution I thought it was the tap water that I used to dilute.. Chlorine inwater etc..
Two small experiments one turned into a chocolate Martian landscape..Amazing chocolate colour on bottom and what looks like silver sulphate on top.. You can see what appear to be silver sulphate floating..
Looks like I have to separate... But both experiments are positive in stannous.
MM

 

[Yggdrasil]

Hi Eaglekeeper
Thanks for this.
I saw in forum that gold could be dropped by sodium hydroxide and lye..
I noticed the silver sulphate. growing in solution I thought it was the tap water that I used to dilute.. Chlorine inwater etc..
Two small experiments one turned into a chocolate Martian landscape..Amazing chocolate colour on bottom and what looks like silver sulphate on top.. You can see what appear to be silver sulphate floating..
Looks like I have to separate... But both experiments are positive in stannous.
MM

You have not shown us any positive Stannous tests and continue the push without heeding advice, worse, do not even reply to our questions.

And as far as using NaOH and sugar for Gold, I'm sure it is not on this forum, if so, I'd like to know where so we can fix it.

I will give you you the end of the day to start taking our advice, set your stuff aside and start reading!

You are an accident waiting to happen the way you are going on now.

 

[galenrog]

Hi Eaglekeeper
Thanks for this.
I saw in forum that gold could be dropped by sodium hydroxide and lye..
I noticed the silver sulphate. growing in solution I thought it was the tap water that I used to dilute.. Chlorine inwater etc..
Two small experiments one turned into a chocolate Martian landscape..Amazing chocolate colour on bottom and what looks like silver sulphate on top.. You can see what appear to be silver sulphate floating..
Looks like I have to separate... But both experiments are positive in stannous.
MM

Item 1: Sodium Hydroxide is Lye, as is Potassium Hydroxide. Neither has ever been shown to precipitate gold from solution. You claim you saw it in our Forum. Please enlighten us as to where.

Item 2: Silver Sulphate? Really? I can make Silver Chloride by adding small amounts of almost any chloride to a silver solution, such as silver nitrate solution. Silver Sulphate? I do not think so.

I could go on, but why? The best advice has been given more than twice. PUT YOUR TOYS AWAY NOW!
You have demonstrated very well that you have neither knowledge or experience sufficient to experiment with chemicals and chemical reactions that can easily kill you.

Please read Hoke. Read it again. Read a third time, writing comments and questions as you go. Perform the acquaintance experiments utilizing current safety protocols. Until then, please do nothing more with your current catastrophic mess. Once you learn something, perhaps we can then walk you through recovery.

Yes, I am rude. Thank you for noticing.

Time for more coffee.

 

[user 72646]

Hi

I had some gold solution and wanted to remove any base metals by cementation

Reason for this is that the initial drop precipitated white powder on the bottom of jar which I read in forum posts may be (Copper Chloride), relating to amounts of SMB added to solution

I then used a stainless steel spoon to cement out copper in order to filter and then drop gold again after adding some HCL to solution and heating for 10 minutes.

The stainless steel spoon now has a variety of materials attached. (View MP4)

Would the copper in solution cement onto spoon and would the gold then cement onto copper?
as in a double cementation?

The solution is now dark aqua green blue and the filter is chocolate brown

Has the gold been removed from solution using two methods of precipitation?.

Some gold powder dropped and was collected in filter, but it appears as if it has also attached it self to the cemented copper?

Thanks
MM

 

[Yggdrasil]

Hi

I had some gold solution and wanted to remove any base metals by cementation

Reason for this is that the initial drop precipitated white powder on the bottom of jar which I read in forum posts may be (Copper Chloride), relating to amounts of SMB added to solution

I then used a stainless steel spoon to cement out copper in order to filter and then drop gold again after adding some HCL to solution and heating for 10 minutes.

The stainless steel spoon now has a variety of materials attached. (View MP4)

Would the copper in solution cement onto spoon and would the gold then cement onto copper?
as in a double cementation?

The solution is now dark aqua green blue and the filter is chocolate brown

Has the gold been removed from solution using two methods of precipitation?.

Some gold powder dropped and was collected in filter, but it appears as if it has also attached it self to the cemented copper?

Thanks
MM

Same project, new thread again???
If you try to get rid of Copper with cementing the Gold will follow among with all else between Iron and Copper.

 

[Yggdrasil]

I gave Midasmitch a short vacation he can use for studies.

 

[Martijn]

I gave Midasmitch a short vacation he can use for studies.

Your patience is admirable.

 

[Yggdrasil]

Your patience is admirable.

That is why we are here is it not?
I have to admit that sometimes I wish I could do something else
That is my grumpy days I guess