telecom, UPS, IBM scrap

[leavemealone]

So my fault for rushing, I hope you guys can accept my humble apology. I surely did not want to come off as smarty pants and i apparently did. Maybe my ex wife is right about me lol.

Well I will be the first to give you a thumbsup.Several years ago I said things so much worse than the statement you made,(it was under a different name that has long since been closed,so don't try to find it)I took months to reverse the damage I caused on the forum.There are very few members here that remember that fight,and I am glad for that.I promise that the comment you made was nothing compared to the comments I made,and you have apologized almost immediately.I assure you that harold will come around,there are very few people on the forum that have known harold longer than I have,so I can say with a clear mind....If he can forgive me after what I did,he will forgive you.

I have only ordered about 40 bucks worth of stuff so its not like I don't want to hear I threw away money I'm sure even if I don't use the process I've researched.. and yes it is the process mentioned earlier from shor .

I,as well as many others here,have lost hundreds if not thousands of dollars over the years trying something new.I personally never purchased anythign from shor,and have no intentions to.I helped a member not too long ago that made a very large purchase from shor and I believe he has since thrown the product away.However he gave me some of the chemicals and I did some testing on my own.I am not clear on what your experience is in the "chemical"side of recovering and refining so I won't go into what my results were,however it was dissapointing at best.I am just glad you don't have that much invested in them at this point.
I am not sure what you have read or seen,so as my buddy steve(lazersteve) says,I'll give you the nickle tour.
This is steves website http://www.goldrecovery.us/site.asp you will be spending plenty of time at his site.There are many videos and countless PDF files loaded with info.With the exception of chemicals,he sells virtually everything that he uses in his videos so everyone has access to the proper equipment.He also sells DVD's of the different processes(and accepts donations via paypal).Steve,Harold,and Noxx are the founding members of this forum.Noxx is the owner,he'll post funny stuff every now and then.
Here is the forum Handbook http://www.scribd.com/doc/2887935/GOLD-REFINING-FORUM-HANBOOK-VOL-1
It will be your "new age guide" here.There is endless amounts of wisdom inside.
If you are unfamiliar with chemistry,basic or advanced,here is a good book http://tinyurl.com/yjgvufp

And here is your Bible http://tinyurl.com/mfnyhs
This is "Refinging Precious Metal Wastes"by C.M.Hoke.
She wrote this in the early 1900's and it has provided infinite amounts knowledge.
Well This will get you started on your journey.
Johnny
HA looks like I am a bit late.Well good luck bud.

 

[Barren Realms 007]

OHHH I see now!

Let me clear this up, I was in no way shape or form saying help me but don't tell me not to buy this kit. I was trying to say help me but please don't discourage me from trying. I apologize I have no allegiance to any one kit or method, I have only ordered about 40 bucks worth of stuff so its not like I don't want to hear I threw away money I'm sure even if I don't use the process I've researched.. and yes it is the process mentioned earlier from shor .

I was not aware of any other process, and I'm sorry I offended anyone that was definately not my intention. Nor am I making fun of anybody, I humbly apologize. Here I am a rookie and an idiot and I will not pretend to be otherwise, I will always respect you guys as mentors, and you are correct had I read more than 7 minutes I wouldn't have been worried about being discouraged from refining my own gold scrap.

So my fault for rushing, I hope you guys can accept my humble apology. I surely did not want to come off as smarty pants and i apparently did. Maybe my ex wife is right about me lol.

This was like a Dean Martin roast. Everyone is up early this morning and on a Saturday...

dhcracker, try this. Take 1lb of your fingers and process them with the shore system, and take one pound and process using the HCL/Peroxide technique and see what the difference will be on your outcome. The people here will help you as much as you want their help. 8)

 

[shyknee]

SEE
they only want to help .that is what this forum is all about
Im not sure if it is just refining or if its about people helping people .
_READ
i have been reading for 2 years on here and im still learning new things every day.
patience, grasshopper.

 

[nickvc]

Welcome to the forum dhcracker,this really is a good place to be, the knowledge and experience is amazing and it can all be had for free.As you found an attitude wins no friends here, but your apology was good and im sure your going to thank god you made it when that first button sits in your hand courtesy of the many members who will be only to pleased to help.

 

[goldsilverpro]

Second strike. I just deleted 4 posts. Keep this personal crap (and wound photos) off the forum. That's what PMs are for. You know who I'm talking to.

 

[Harold_V]

I hope you guys can accept my humble apology. I surely did not want to come off as smarty pants and i apparently did. Maybe my ex wife is right about me lol.

Now put your money where your mouth is, and start reading Hoke. Read Hoke until you understand what she tells you. At that point, you will have very few questions.

Be aware that Hoke does NOT address e scrap. However, if you understand her teachings, you will then have the necessary knowledge that will allow you to deal with gold in virtually all forms.

For the record, we do NOT discourage people from refining on this forum. What we do try to do is discourage them from being stupid.

I had a professional refiner laugh in my face when I told him I wanted to learn to refine gold. "You'll never do it", I was told. Over the long haul, he lost his customers to me. I got the last laugh.

Harold

 

[butcher]

Dhcracker, welcome to the forum, some reason kentucky boy's get missunderstood on their first post.
but stick in there and you will find a world of education here.
with some fun studying and reading, you will soon be melting some very pure gold, good luck from an ole kentucky boy.

 

[Anonymous]

Thanks guys,

I'm reading up on HCI and H2O2 now, I know H202 can be used to purify many solvents so it makes sense what I am hearing here. As experienced refiners I would be a fool to continue with the shore method, so I'll just keep what I ordered to make an aluminum cleaner or a copper dissolver.. I'll find a good use for what I have already ordered other than Gold.

I took some pictures of the cream of the crop:

These came from the Nortel Meridian phone switch, the small coils I cannot tell if they are just copper plated or gold plated. The big coil is copper I just put it in for comparison... yes I am color blind when shades get close it messes with me lol. Coils look gold?

This is one of the compaq's the IBM's are almost identical in setup... lots of fingers. I have 14 of these old pc's total:

 

[Anonymous]

I hope you guys can accept my humble apology. I surely did not want to come off as smarty pants and i apparently did. Maybe my ex wife is right about me lol.

Now put your money where your mouth is, and start reading Hoke. Read Hoke until you understand what she tells you. At that point, you will have very few questions.

Be aware that Hoke does NOT address e scrap. However, if you understand her teachings, you will then have the necessary knowledge that will allow you to deal with gold in virtually all forms.

For the record, we do NOT discourage people from refining on this forum. What we do try to do is discourage them from being stupid.

I had a professional refiner laugh in my face when I told him I wanted to learn to refine gold. "You'll never do it", I was told. Over the long haul, he lost his customers to me. I got the last laugh.

Harold

Right before I registered the EXACT same thing happened to me, and last week it happened as well. So now I am bound and determined to learn this, my grandpa once told my mother the only way to make sure I do something is to tell me that I can't do it lol. I am reviewing a few of the links I already got, as soon as I have this material saved locally I am going to put my money in my mouth and read up on this Hoke.

Thanks again, as I strip more scrap I'll share with you guys what I am getting by pictures and videos so you will know what to expect if you run into this type of scrap again.

 

[leavemealone]

I will be happy to see your material and how you've progressed.Don't forget we are here to help should you get stumped.
Good luck.
Johnny

 

[qst42know]

Take a small torch flame to a bit of the light coil, It is likely a blond color varnish on copper.

 

[Harold_V]

Take a small torch flame to a bit of the light coil, It is likely a blond color varnish on copper.

It may also be a beryllium copper spring, heat treated in a controlled atmosphere.
Yeah, I know-----not likely, but it doesn't hurt to consider all options when dealing with the unknown.

Harold

 

[Oz]

With all the electronic scrap the members here tend to run I am amazed that so little attention is given to the hazards of beryllium.

 

[qst42know]

Right. Better safe than sorry.

Look very close at the soldered ends under magnification for discolored of bubbled varnish.

A red hot nail or solder iron would affect the varnish without changing what was under it.

 

[Anonymous]

No discoloration, when you scratch it you see that it is plating and a silvery metal is the base probably zinc? It is far softer than other copper springs of the same size. Those coils actually came out of cable tv splitters I forgot to mention, not the little splitters at your house but the ones on the poles that split the signal and the AC power on the main line.

 

[Irons]

No discoloration, when you scratch it you see that it is plating and a silvery metal is the base probably zinc? It is far softer than other copper springs of the same size. Those coils actually came out of cable tv splitters I forgot to mention, not the little splitters at your house but the ones on the poles that split the signal and the AC power on the main line.

Not likely to be worth anything but copper scrap. It's just an inductor, part of the RF trap.

 

[Anonymous]

With all the electronic scrap the members here tend to run I am amazed that so little attention is given to the hazards of beryllium.

Oz I started a thread Microwave's and mentioned then that the purple ceramics and possibly others from the magnetron contained beryllium, the copper reeds that the various contact points are generally connected too contain beryllium, many brass/copper colored springs used in switching gear and relays also a beryllium/copper alloy.

gustavus

 

[Anonymous]

Maybe my ex wife is right about me lol.

Woman are known for their intuition.

 

[Anonymous]

With all the electronic scrap the members here tend to run I am amazed that so little attention is given to the hazards of beryllium.

Oz I started a thread Microwave's and mentioned then that the purple ceramics and possibly others from the magnetron contained beryllium, the copper reeds that the various contact points are generally connected too contain beryllium, many brass/copper colored springs used in switching gear and relays also a beryllium/copper alloy.

gustavus

These are air coils, I'm not certain about being part of the FM trap because there are not enough windings. Thats the large coils I know that from replacing them, these small coils have AC current on them in operation. However the large coil pictured is not a trap its a power coil, however the high pass filter is the same almost without the center piece.. also an air coil. I have thought that since there are few windings it may be a low pass filter for the reverse channel that cable systems use for internet and digital services, as being such I think its possible these are actually gold plated but I doubt it really. Thats all I know about those, the only discoloration I have found though is in the solder on the ends. The very small coils inside the purple plastic are also a mystery to me. I'm going to find out exactly what these are from a CATV supplier then I'll check back.

However I don't think this is berrylium copper, the only RF components I know of that contain berrylium are transistor faceplates on transistors in RF transmitters, but CATV line gear is not high power so generally you won't see it in this stuff unless maybe on contacts to resist corrosion. Also the coils are very soft where berrylium copper would be stiffer. The AC current that goes throug a typical CATV line can range from 60V to 90VAC, while the active components operate on 12-24VDC. These pieces are passives so they have AC current passing through them. But I'm going to be safe and not melt anything until I get some parts specs from manufacturer.

 

[Harold_V]

There would be no advantage in using beryllium copper unless it was heat treated, so if the coil in question is soft, my money says it's nothing but copper.

For the record, beryllium copper in the annealed state is very soft. Easily formed by hand.

Harold