Thanks GSP . I did think the Zn would be the pain if i could find an alternative to cyanide i think it would be of much more interest to the rest of the members of the forum,i have used it for years and as yet it hasnt been banned here :shock: controlled but not banned.As this is just an experiment time isnt critical and the Au is just an accumulation over time so another month or two makes no odds so im happy to wait till your research is done and then try again. Im wondering if a porous membrane might be the way forward if the copper can be separated from the rest the jobs nearly there :roll: