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promogoons

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Hi , all ,
been lurking a while , and decided its time to step into the light.
I work in a precious metals shop.
I buy gold , silver, platinum, etc. all day, everyday.
When Im off, I scrounge the yard sales in Atlanta and I go out and find pounds of scrap jewelry and stuff for myself.
My boss, hes taught me alot in the last few months, from how to spot the real stuff , to testing, to paying a fair value for scrap.
Really , way more than that, but Ill discuss that elsewhere.

Back in high school, I took a chemistry class to prep for college. I went to a vocational school so we pretty much had 2 full chem labs to work in. It was one of my favorite classes and one of my all time favorite instructors , A chem professor from the college taught it and he made the mundane pretty damn exciting.

I still have an interest in chemistry , 30 years later.

My new line of work and chemistry is what lead me here.
Ive watched a ton of videos, have been reading Hokes book , watching lazers steves stuff , luaghing at that crazy silver guy's accent , Aquilla , I think on his youtube channel and just preparing myself for the next steps.

And... just mucking off here when Im bored at the job.

Im planning on acquiring the assorted stuff to try my hand at refining soon , but , I recon I wont get started till i have it all mostly assembled.
Even then , Ill prolly keep researching until I can finally get the confidence to try.

On a side note, Ive met a professional refiner , Hes a super nice guy, and every time Im over there , hes trying to teach me the dirty bits and I think I could ask to intern with him a few times to get an idea of refining on a large scale.

Sooo...

This may seem overly ambitious but ...

my intentions here are to do some journeys on this forum.


My plan is to start with a nice full sized acetylene torch rig and some crucibles and safety gear, just to experiment on my .925 and make some bars.

Then Ill prolly do a basic chemistry whiteboard video involving the reactions noobies will be dealing with and the safety video to go with it.
This will explain whats actually going on in the reacton vessels and cover the safety aspects of dealing with acids,bases, heat and using the right equipment.

While Im collecting the remaining safety gear , chemicals, tools, and containers , Ill still be researching Hokes and this forums resources.

Next , Ill try some karat gold refining out under the porch in my back yard.

After that , Ill prolly need to learn the silver refining methods to get that stuff out of solution from my initial experiments.

During these experiments , Ill be learning how to recycle the waste materials and disposing of the stuff that needs to be dealt with by pros.

Then Ill tackle the gold filled crap laying around the office and my ever growing costume collection.

Then Ill prolly be done with tuts. I dont think Escrap would be worth the effort , nor do I want to bite off the mouthful that is PBN's.

Ive laid out my gameplan for everyone to see.
I feel that theres really a metric ishton of info out there on this , but theres virtually none for the extreme noobies point of view.
None that explain the reactions in laymans terms that I know of.
At least not the kind I can easily find in a clear , step by step process , both written and on video together with the basic chemistry included.
I hope to fill the void with a few video series and tutorials strictly for beginners.
I realize this ish aint rocket science , but I think people would want to know the whys of AR dissolving gold, and why SMB drops gold out of solution. Why does copper pull silver out of solution , Why does Nitric dissolve SIlver and not gold. That sort of info I think could be useful and simple enough to explain to beginners. From the valence electrons up.

Safely Refining PM's thru Chemistry in a nutshell.
 
Wow, that is quite a mouthful of really badly spelled and scattered thoughts. You're not puffing crack are you? Sorry, it just seems a little too much at once. My advice, if it means anything at all as a Noob myself, would be to slow down and tackle one thing at a time dude.
 
I realize this ish aint rocket science , but I think people would want to know the whys of AR dissolving gold, and why SMB drops gold out of solution. Why does copper pull silver out of solution , Why does Nitric dissolve SIlver and not gold. That sort of info I think could be useful and simple enough to explain to beginners. From the valence electrons up.

Really, it's all here and in Hoke, in layman's words.
 
Your right it is not rocket science.
But it is a science that can take a lot of time to understand.

This does not mean that you cannot begin learning and learn to recover and refine precious metals in a short period of time, from certain types of scrap or materials, like with studying a few months, but this is a science you can spend the rest of your life and get nowhere near to understanding it all.

One problem with beginners is that they seem to believe this is something simple, they will jump right in head first only to begin to run into problems. They do not understand the dangers involved. They believe if they just had a two page procedure to follow, or a good video to watch, they could learn to recover and refine precious metals. Basically they do not understand how much they do not know, and do not see the complexity of this science.

The forum normally tells new members this best way to begin learning this science, first with studying the safety aspects and learning to deal with the toxic wastes substances and gases, then by learning the basic principles (Hoke's book is a great resource), and by studying the forum where this science is discussed.

I look forward to your spending time learning, and sharing what you are learning, that is what the forum is all about.
 
Most beginners who write a lot in the beginning and are full of ideas, dissapeár within 2 weeks and were never been seen again.

No words could make them trust in what they were told. The few who get this quickly, often understand it by themselves, what butcher is trying to tell you, - those few stay and will soon be experienced in some fields, that makes it a pleasure to read their posts.

We will see. Welcome.
 
It is what it is , Im surrounded by gold and silver everyday.
I want to do more than just buy it and flip it .

I want to play with it and melt it and dissolve it and know the whys and wheretofores of the refining parts.

I will make mistakes, I will screw up some stuff. I will burn myself and I will feel the wrath of a splash here and there, I believe it just comes with the territory.
Maybe even catch it on film haha .
My refiner friend has been doing it for 20+ years and he came in last week with a pretty large nitric burn on his forearm, so I really do understand this aint a laughing matter.

But seriously,I will document and contribute my experiences here as I go.

Just gathering the gear may be my first video foray, cuz I dont have any of it but a hotplate at this point.
As for the chemicals, I wont even begin collecting that stuff until Im done with the Hokes book and have the safety gear on hand.
Chemicals will be the last stuff on my list.

And Dave , is that you in the AquillaRefining Videos ? Man thats some serious good (if somewhat long) and always entertaining stuff , and yes the accent is endearing but lord , south alabama accents are somethin else bro.
 
No, not me. Aquilla is Palladium, aka aflacglobal, etc. He introduced himself right above my first post.

I will suggest you get away from using terms like prolly, cuz, ish, etc., and take time to check your spelling and grammar before hitting the Submit button This forum has members from all over the world. Many have to use translators to read the forum, and internet lingo and shortcuts can cause them a great deal of confusion. Just a word of advice, before one of the Moderators delivers that message.

Dave
 
promogoons said:
It is what it is , Im surrounded by gold and silver everyday.
I will make mistakes, I will screw up some stuff. I will burn myself and I will feel the wrath of a splash here and there, I believe it just comes with the territory.
Maybe even catch it on film haha .
My refiner friend has been doing it for 20+ years and he came in last week with a pretty large nitric burn on his forearm, so I really do understand this aint a laughing matter.

Please understand that the senior members are trying to help you. Your statements above concern me, proceeding with these processes before your have read Hoke's and done some of the acquaintance experiments can be very dangerous. You may make mistakes but with the processes involved you may only get to make one mistake if you do not know what you are doing, how the chemicals you are using react and what to do if a mistake is made.

Your gold and silver are not going anywhere and will still be there for you when you have the knowledge to process it safely. I have quite a bit of material I would love to process too, but I know I still have a lot to learn be fore I feel I can do it safely. Take a little time and read Hoke's and the forum handbooks which may be down loaded for free. Dave has a very nice screen and printer friendly copy available in his signature line.

Good luck and keep reading!
 
Goons - please take all of this advice to heart. You should not accept the fact that your buddy has a large nitric burn on his arm. That is careless and sloppy behaviour - this stuff is very dangerous, not only to you but anybody around you. There is no excuse for that as there is good PPE available and not expensive. It is not like making pickles. You might want to consider as well that it can be like handling explosives, one wrong move and you may not be around tomorrow to tell the tale. Your attitude concerns me, as I hope it does others here. It sends the wrong message to other new people to the forum who may think that as they have watched a few yougonnakillsomebody videos they can just start mixing things up willinilli and shazam you have gold. Please slow down, educate yourself and be very, very careful. For the record, I have been pursuing the education for much longer than I have been a member of this forum and know that I still do not have the level of competence required to produce the magic button. I am getting there but have taken the advice of the senior, professional members of this forum very seriously and even when I think I am ready to do a serious recovery it will be a very nervous day.
 
promogoons said:
I will make mistakes, I will screw up some stuff.
I think most people will do that to one extent or another. I certainly have, because I went on my merry way without reading enough.
You have listed quite a series of tasks and there's no reason you can't achieve them all. All in due time.

promogoons said:
I will burn myself and I will feel the wrath of a splash here and there, I believe it just comes with the territory.
There is just absolutely no reason for this to be considered acceptable. Take your safety seriously. These chemicals are dangerous. They can not only give you painful burns and permanent scars and blind you, but they can outright kill you if you don't respect them.
Scars from falling off your BMX might be badges of honour (chicks dig 'em). But chemical burns are badges of stupidity. Finish with none.

Welcome to the forum.
 
jason_recliner said:
. But chemical burns are badges of stupidity. Finish with none.

Like!

You can reach this, if you always are prepared and work in a way, so that the most stupid mistakes, you could make, cannot have any serious consequences.
 
Thanks for the warm welcome , GRF

Let me clear this up.
Im not the most graceful person, but Im not careless either.

I grew up in an antiques shop and my Dad's restoration shop. I was a furniture stripper/sprayman for most of my teens, and got up close and personal with elbow length industrial gloves, clunky old school goggles, respirators and heavy rubber aprons , but even with that gear , I'd still get a spot here and there on occasion. Ill be extra careful with my 43 year old frame, you have my word.

Ill make sure to keep my language more focused and less 'murican. Pinky Swear ;)

I have no plans to start this journey until I have read hokes thorughly and gathered the gear and worked through her acquaintence procedures , in addition to continuing my research here.
 

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