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In the original version it was a gold brick road and they decided to make it a yellow brick road!
 
rickbb said:
The hacker(s) known as anonymous is now known to be ex KGB and now FSB Russian secret police. Anything they "report" from their hacking is designed for one purpose only, to degrade and destabilize the peoples trust in western, (mostly USA), governments. In other words propaganda based on half truths, (if that much), and warrants no credence on its face.

I certainly would not base investment decisions in any way on what these dubious sources say they found. Especially since they only seem to be able to hack democratic governments and progressive political parties. To date they've not hacked a single totalitarian government or conservative political part anywhere. (At least none they will admit to.) Wonder why not?

Where is all the inside hacked dirt on Russia, China, Venezuela, Syria? hmmmm, me thinks I see a pattern.
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They hacked the federal reserve and exposed their positions. Whether they are russian/Chinese still doesn't take away from the fact that the markets are propped up. In regards to Russia and the DNC, as a close friend who is in cyber security said to me "if a nation state or group of individuals have the ability to hack into sophisticated systems, covering their tracks is probably the easiest thing to execute in the process. What does this mean? Figuring out the source of the attack is pure speculation and the only thing you can do is to make sure that vulnerabilities are no longer there to exploit." Here is another caveat, most of the DNC emails were released about 1 year after their initial creation, if wikileaks received the emails from anonymous sources.....could you imagine how difficult it would be to trace an intrusion from a year ago? All crimes committed in the past have decreasing probability of being solved BY THE DAY, we're talking months now......so why not just blame some country?
 
Unfortunately I have some bad news folks, gold is going to drop. As in not drop to like 1200 but more like really drop to 1150. Equities seem to not care about political or international problems. Kudos to those who sold 1280's, within the last few days I changed the data to reflect what has happened in the last month and the SNP 500 hasn't found any resistance with record prices being reached every week. The interest rate hikes are also not helping the price of gold. At this moment as we see these record prices gold will also attempt to find it's lowest point and we may be looking at an ugly fall calendar for gold. The good news is that we will have several months of buying opportunities. Once we reach december 2016 prices I think that worst for gold will be over.
 
joseph1990 said:
They hacked the federal reserve and exposed their positions. Whether they are russian/Chinese still doesn't take away from the fact that the markets are propped up.
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Of course they are! That's the primary job of any nation-state's central bank--to artificially nudge the economy in a "good" direction. Managing both the amount of circulating currency and the primary interest rates are just two tools they use to do their job.

joseph1990 said:
In regards to Russia and the DNC, as a close friend who is in cyber security said to me "if a nation state or group of individuals have the ability to hack into sophisticated systems, covering their tracks is probably the easiest thing to execute in the process. What does this mean? Figuring out the source of the attack is pure speculation and the only thing you can do is to make sure that vulnerabilities are no longer there to exploit."
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(emphasis mine) That's actually not true. It sounds like your friend is more of a strategic cyber guy (or even a pundit) than a cyber forensics specialist. A forensics specialist knows how to look at what's left, as well as what the hacked machine is/was transmitting. If the DNC security folks did their job right, one of the first things they would have done is taken an image of the hacked machines--that way, even 10 years from now, they have a perfectly preserved version of what the hacked machine looked like when the hack was discovered.
 
upcyclist said:
joseph1990 said:
They hacked the federal reserve and exposed their positions. Whether they are russian/Chinese still doesn't take away from the fact that the markets are propped up.
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Of course they are! That's the primary job of any nation-state's central bank--to artificially nudge the economy in a "good" direction. Managing both the amount of circulating currency and the primary interest rates are just two tools they use to do their job.

joseph1990 said:
In regards to Russia and the DNC, as a close friend who is in cyber security said to me "if a nation state or group of individuals have the ability to hack into sophisticated systems, covering their tracks is probably the easiest thing to execute in the process. What does this mean? Figuring out the source of the attack is pure speculation and the only thing you can do is to make sure that vulnerabilities are no longer there to exploit."
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(emphasis mine) That's actually not true. It sounds like your friend is more of a strategic cyber guy (or even a pundit) than a cyber forensics specialist. A forensics specialist knows how to look at what's left, as well as what the hacked machine is/was transmitting. If the DNC security folks did their job right, one of the first things they would have done is taken an image of the hacked machines--that way, even 10 years from now, they have a perfectly preserved version of what the hacked machine looked like when the hack was discovered.
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I'm not a computer guy but please help us understand, if there is no negligence by the attacker how will they exactly trace the code back to a russian fsb satellite location? Keep in mind the origin is spoofed, the code is also spoofed....possibly to make it look like it was russian made. I would like a technical answer also, so no 'spies reported to washington that's how we know',
 
The wannacry virus was executed by a negligent and clumsy individual or group of individuals.
Here is the consensus from government agencies and private sector security firms
U.S. = Assessment made and NSA concluded it was North Korea but cannot bring forth any concrete connections.
Britain = Her majesty intelligence has sided with the US on the matter
Google = Named the hacking group LAZARUS which is connected to north korea as the conspirators
FireEYE = Same conclusion as google
Symantec = Same conclusion as google
Kaspersky = impossible to conclude
DigitalShadows = impossible to conclude but said "the most plausible scenario is that an unsophisticated cybercrime actor launched the WannaCry campaign."
Flashpoint = Hacker was Chinese and probably originated from South China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, or Singapore

In fact, a few lines after the title, the article of the Washington Post states that the NSA established its attribution only with "moderate confidence". In other words, it is equally divided as the computer security industry.

If the NSA can't figure out where a clumsy hacker who sabotaged the world with the wanna cry virus is located.....how in the world can they figure out where a sophisticated attack that may have compromised the most powerful democracy is....oh yeah it's russia how dumb of me!
 
Maybe they "cant figure it out" because it was them?
Back to that "man behind the curtain" thing again... Smoke..mirrors...

..this is to political for my taste.. :?
...now wheres a good thread on metal. 8)
 
This thread has strayed far from its original subject. There are other forums where people can discuss politics and conspiracies. Our purpose here is to talk about recovery and refining of precious metals. Let's get back on topic.

Dave
 
Ditto, long, (well long for me), reply ready, but, never mind. Can't convince a flat earther the world is round no matter how well reasoned your points may be. So lets recover and refine.

8)
 
Palladium said:
It's all deep state. Just there to confuse people and hide the real truth. Anoymus is a joke! Reminds me of those studio produced terrorist films. They all serve a purpose in one way or another.
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I think you're onto something. 8)
 
joseph1990 said:
Ok guys I think we have something going here. So upcyclist is the first to go, don't mind the data I can change it asap. We would need to post the data on the boards so at least it's a quick look, no one really wants to download the excel file but it will be posted as a reference. We can improve upon it, DATA IS POWER FOLKS. THE MORE INFORMATION WE HAVE ON HERE THE LESS SNEAKY STUFF GOES ON IN THE BACKGROUND. In the column where it says market value with proof, we urge everyone to make a video of their shipment with the xrf machine and scale before sending out so at least we know that you're not trolling/cheating these refiners. Once a dispute is initiated active contributors on the thread can analyze and come to a conclusion.

Whatever happened to this chart?
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