Non-Chemical ? about recovery of Au wire from flat pack ash

[Claudie]

I'm not 100% sure what it is but it will turn dark if you put it in water and set it in the sun. It will also totally dissolve in HCL. I think it is copper I chloride from the copper being attacked by the solution. A barren solution will rapidly dissolve copper. I am still learning so this is just my guess as to what is happening, I'm sure someone here knows for sure. :|

Here is a link to my experience with it. http://goldrefiningforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=10507&p=101628&hilit=white+copper#p101628

 

[rusty]

Update on my ash, an unbelievable amount of solids have cemented out. This afternoon washed some of the black powder off the copper into a test tube after everything dissolved added urea until no more fizzing occurred.

Here are the results.

Regards
Rusty

 

[samuel-a]

Update on my ash, an unbelievable amount of solids have cemented out. This afternoon washed some of the black powder off the copper into a test tube after everything dissolved added urea until no more fizzing occurred.

Here are the results.

Pd?
It does tend to cement last 8)

 

[rusty]

Update on my ash, an unbelievable amount of solids have cemented out. This afternoon washed some of the black powder off the copper into a test tube after everything dissolved added urea until no more fizzing occurred.

Here are the results.

Pd?
It does tend to cement last 8)

Samuel - - - I used stannous, as you can see from lasersteves sample Pt shows up as orange.

Regards
Rusty

 

[samuel-a]

Oh... i was not aware that pictured solution is the actual test.

 

[Claudie]

Anything new on this?

 

[kurt]

Anything new on this?

I was wondering the same thing. Hoping for end results being as this is supposed to be the answer to my question so have been following this

Kurt

 

[rusty]

Anything new on this?

In a nut shell, fro the ash recovered 3.85 lbs of rough silver, some gold fro the 1rst run of mud, working on my 2nd batch but had to shut down evaporating late last night due to lack of a breeze.

The mud goes into AR with our major fumes using a minimum of nitric evaporating is mostly steam.

Once all the gold has been recovered using SMB I'm planning a 2nd refining using oxalic acid.

My solutions have tested barren of Platinum group which shows that it is very difficult to recover, most of which still remains in ash which is getting a 2nd hot AR treatment.

Just found out my well pump quit during the night, so I now have a priority 1 on my hands, evaporating 2nd batch will have to wait.

Regards
Rusty

 

[Barren Realms 007]

Anything new on this?

In a nut shell, fro the ash recovered 3.85 lbs of rough silver, some gold fro the 1rst run of mud, working on my 2nd batch but had to shut down evaporating late last night due to lack of a breeze.

The mud goes into AR with our major fumes using a minimum of nitric evaporating is mostly steam.

Once all the gold has been recovered using SMB I'm planning a 2nd refining using oxalic acid.

My solutions have tested barren of Platinum group which shows that it is very difficult to recover, most of which still remains in ash which is getting a 2nd hot AR treatment.

Just found out my well pump quit during the night, so I now have a priority 1 on my hands, evaporating 2nd batch will have to wait.

Regards
Rusty

Rusty,

Get you a box fan to blow the fumes away, it should be enough air flow to disipate the fumes.

Sorry to hear about the well pump, you have a job on your hand's today good luck.

 

[rusty]

Anything new on this?

In a nut shell, fro the ash recovered 3.85 lbs of rough silver, some gold fro the 1rst run of mud, working on my 2nd batch but had to shut down evaporating late last night due to lack of a breeze.

The mud goes into AR with our major fumes using a minimum of nitric evaporating is mostly steam.

Once all the gold has been recovered using SMB I'm planning a 2nd refining using oxalic acid.

My solutions have tested barren of Platinum group which shows that it is very difficult to recover, most of which still remains in ash which is getting a 2nd hot AR treatment.

Just found out my well pump quit during the night, so I now have a priority 1 on my hands, evaporating 2nd batch will have to wait.

Regards
Rusty

Rusty,

Get you a box fan to blow the fumes away, it should be enough air flow to disipate the fumes.

Sorry to hear about the well pump, you have a job on your hand's today good luck.

The impeller seized up on the old pump, think ti may have clogged up with sand, thought if this the case the seal would be toast.

Just now returned from Birnie where I had a spare pump, decided to ow the grass while I was there.

Regards
Rusty

 

[rusty]

I thought that the hell - removed the priming plug filled up the impeller housing with water and gave it a few raps with a pipe wrench, be dammed if it didn't free up the impeller. Pump is working good as new, spare is sitting next to it waiting for its time of need.

Now back to evaporating the 2nd batch of mud for another gold drop.

Regards
Rusty

 

[Barren Realms 007]

I thought that the hell - removed the priming plug filled up the impeller housing with water and gave it a few raps with a pipe wrench, be dammed if it didn't free up the impeller. Pump is working good as new, spare is sitting next to it waiting for its time of need.

Now back to evaporating the 2nd batch of mud for another gold drop.

Regards
Rusty

You are a lucky dog.... 8)

 

[dgr]

kurt,
I'm just a newbie here so I probably don't know what I'm talking about. It sounds like the major problem is that the volume of your ash doesn't justify the amount of AR required to cover and leech it. The secondary problem is you end up with a low concentration solution.

We know from Harold's gold button trick to remove the final nitric acid that we don't need 20-25% nitric acid in our AR in order to dissolve gold. In fact, from that trick, I would guess that until such time as the last NO₃^- ion is used in the reaction, the conversion of Au to AuCl will move forward. We also know that we need a certain amount of HNO₃ to convert a certain amount of Au to AuCl.

Sooo, why couldn't you estimate the amount of nitric acid needed and add enough hydrochloric acid to make up the volume you need to adequately cover the ashes? Hydrochloric is cheap and available everywhere. Of course, this will do nothing to reduce the total volume of solution you need to deal with.

 

[Anonymous]

I like Gil's idea of melting everything into a slab and proceed.That will seperate your metals from your organics,without any need for filtering.If you do this,make sure you thin the slag enough to allow the metals to drop.
I just picked up another big load yesterday,and I am interested in processing the flatpacks also.
I'll post pics later,with a link to the thread with the pics.
Here's the thread with the new pics
http://goldrefiningforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=10422&start=20#p107616

 

[rusty]

So far this is how much gold I have recovered from the ash, in the plastic container is the first drop which I cleaned up then added the 2nd drop to it.

Did a stannous test on the waste solutions, then a test on some leach I had working in another pail of ash which tested positive for platinum, some of this ash put into fresh AR it has been giving off brown fumes for 4 1/2 hours with periodic additions of hydrochloric.

Good thing this is only a hobby for me, never going to get rich from it.

Edit: 1.145 troy, but it still needs to be cleaned and dried.

Regards
Rusty