Beryllium in waste refining liquids. Proper disposal.

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jason_recliner said:
Yes, both. My main point was displacement is not based on the periodic table but the reactivity series. Even if the position on the periodic table gives

If beryllium is dissolved in acid, then it follows that it's the reactivity series directing that after displacing all copper with iron, neutralising iron and more reactive, with the most reactive metals like sodium or calcium would also force out beryllium.
Sodium and calcium is so reactive that it reacts with water, so it would never displace metal from a solution. It would form hydroxides and then you would get a basic solution where beryllium hydroxide is soluble while other metal salts precipitate as their hydroxides.

Göran
 
g_axelsson said:
jason_recliner said:
Yes, both. My main point was displacement is not based on the periodic table but the reactivity series. Even if the position on the periodic table gives

If beryllium is dissolved in acid, then it follows that it's the reactivity series directing that after displacing all copper with iron, neutralising iron and more reactive, with the most reactive metals like sodium or calcium would also force out beryllium.
Sodium and calcium is so reactive that it reacts with water, so it would never displace metal from a solution. It would form hydroxides and then you would get a basic solution where beryllium hydroxide is soluble while other metal salts precipitate as their hydroxides.

Göran
I'm getting lost, Göran. How did we end up with a basic solution? I thought we were adding hydroxides to neutralise acidic solutions, rather than sending them way out into alkaline-ville.
And that sodium and calcium are so reactive that they displace everything below them. My understanding of reactive series is that it runs a simple rule all the way up the chain, which is how I have been dealing with my waste so far. And after dropping Cu with Fe, dropping Fe (and everything else) with NaOH or Ca(OH)2.

I'm not arguing, I'm genuinely getting lost in what I understood to be a simple, sequence oriented, procedure. If I am mistaken in that, then I do appreciate your correction.
 
It looks like I should jump back into this discussion, having started it.

I'm using electrolysis to dissolve the copper out of gold plated computer pins. The pins are "springy" which tells me that they probably have beryllium in them.

The electrolyte I'm using is copper sulfate. My main question is this, once I have dissolved the copper out of the pins, where does the beryllium that was in them end up, and in what form?

Thank you everyone for contributing.
 
In beryllium copper, the beryllium is only a very small percentage of the metal composition, less than 0ne percent of the metals composition.
Berylliums placement in the reactivity series of metals is high (oxidizes very easily), beryllium dissolves in non-oxidizing acids like HCl or dilute H2SO4.
Beryllium will not dissolve in nitric acid (oxidizing acid). The beryllium passivates in HNO3 (similar to aluminum) it can form a passivated crust which can protect the beryllium metal from further attack by the acid.

Electrolysis with the metal at the anode, the copper metal with a small percentage of beryllium is oxidized (electrons are taken away from the metals atoms), both metals beryllium and copper will go into solution as ions of copper sulfate and beryllium sulfate.
 
Yes, the percentage of beryllium in copper is small, but having looked at the MSDS for beryllium sulfate it seems to be more hazardous than anticipated.

It's a confirmed carcinogen, the greatest hazard would be the fumes.

Gives me second thoughts about using electrolysis with beryllium copper.

Here's some of the data:

TLV Intended change: 0.00005 mg/m³ as TWA; 0.0002 mg/m³ as STEL; (skin); SEN; A1 (confirmed human carcinogen); (ACGIH 2008).

Can anyone make any sense out of it?
 
Please briefly describe "proper treatment", or point me to a thread on the subject.

With the proper treatment what would it's final form be, the metal, or a salt?
 
When we treat the waste we use several methods to remove metals from solution, the goal is to end up with a solution and metal powders, the solution will still be a salt solution but with the dangerous metals removed. where these metals are less harmful to us or our environment.

Some metals are replaced from the solution as elemental metal powders when we use the cementation process.
Example cementing values from solution using a copper buss bar, where copper goes into solution and the more noble metals cement out of solution as elemental metal powders that can be separated from the waste solution.

We use iron metal to replace copper and any of the metals less reactive than iron these can include bismuth, antimony, lead, tin, nickel, cobalt, and cadmium.These metals can also cement in elemental form.

Now left with an iron solution which can also contain many other reactive metals in solution. we can remove more of the metals.
we can precipitate many out as sulfides or us pH to precipitate many of them out as oxides or hydroxides (carbonates...).

Above iron, we have several metals which it is possible to have in solution with our iron, such as chromium, zinc, manganese, titanium, aluminum, beryllium, magnesium, calcium, strontium, radium, barium, lithium, sodium, potassium, rubidium, francium cesium.
Many of these metals form hydroxides and can be removed from solution by manipulating the pH of the solution to precipitate them as oxides or hydroxides.

Using a basic solution we can precipitate most of these metals from solution as hydroxides (bring pH up to about 10 or 11).
then we can bring the solution back to neutral with a small addition of acid (which will precipitate more of these metals). basically leaving us with a fairly safe solution of salt water sodium or potassium chloride, sulfate....

See dealing with waste in the safety section.
 
Okay, I've skimmed thru the section on "waste" under "safety".

My conclusion at this time is that no matter what I do, if I have dissolved copper that contains beryllium, I end up with a end product that is hazmat material.

I say this because, no matter how the beryllium is expelled, whether it be a metal powder, an hydroxide, a sulfate, or an oxide, all of these are extremely hazardous, according to the MSDS sheets I've checked on each one. Only beryllium oxide, in the form of a solid ceramic like substance seems to be a non-issue.

So, with that in mind, I now ask, is there a legal, safe way do dispose of the above mentioned forms of beryllium?
 
If you are a legal and registered company, in the US, and you do not generate a lot of hazardous waste in a year, you can apply for and be granted a "conditionally exempt small quantity generator" status which will allow you to hire a hazardous waste disposal firm to take your material and give you a manifest (to prove you did this correctly) without having an EPA ID#.
 
Found this on the EPA website:

If you generate no more
than 220 lbs (100 kg) of
hazardous waste per
month, you are a
Conditionally Exempt
Small Quantity Generator
(CESQG). You must comply
with three basic waste
management requirements
to remain exempt from the
full hazardous waste regulations
that apply to generators
of larger quantities
(SQGs and LQGs). ..............

https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2015-01/documents/cesqg.pdf
 
That is what I was talking about, there may be other state regulations as well but most states allow a CESQG status.

If you generate enough waste to treat your waste in house, you can also test your waste to see if your solid (hydroxides) waste will pass a test called TCLP. This is a test to determine if your waste will leach any of the RCRA metals into the groundwater. The RCRA metals are; Arsenic (As),
Barium (Ba),
Cadmium (Cd),
Chromium (Cr),
Lead (Pb),
Mercury (Hg),
Selenium (Se), and.
Silver (Ag).

The theory behind this is acid rain will cause the hazardous metals in your waste to leach into the groundwater over time. So a sample submitted to a lab will use the EPA protocol to leach your waste and if all of the 8 metals listed are below the limit, your waste is non hazardous. That makes a big deal as far as cost of disposal goes.
 

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