87elky383
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was curious if anyone ever looked into this for making nitric acid?
blood meal for making nitric? 12-0-0
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87elky383
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does anyone think any of the other contents in the blood meal would cause any probs?
http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Fertilizers/FertDB/prodinfo.asp?pname=1821[/url]
http://agr.wa.gov/PestFert/Fertilizers/FertDB/prodinfo.asp?pname=1821[/url]
qst42know
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You must not confuse plant food ratings as some kind of chemical formula. They are not the same. Plants have the ability to use nitrogen from organic or several chemical sources.
What you are looking for is a man made chemical called specifically Nitrate of Soda or Sodium Nitrate or Potassium Nitrate. The site you provided lists nitrogen plant foods but does not indicate the source of the nitrogen, they may or may not be a chemical you can use for refining. They may even be a blend of chemicals which would be difficult to find the right ratio to make nitric acid from.
What you are looking for is a man made chemical called specifically Nitrate of Soda or Sodium Nitrate or Potassium Nitrate. The site you provided lists nitrogen plant foods but does not indicate the source of the nitrogen, they may or may not be a chemical you can use for refining. They may even be a blend of chemicals which would be difficult to find the right ratio to make nitric acid from.
also blood meal can be dangerous. great for the garden
Forget about it.
Great if you're Brandt and you're after phosphorus and are too lazy to putrefy pee.
Great if you're Brandt and you're after phosphorus and are too lazy to putrefy pee.
Lou, I knew you could get urea from urine,and can make good fertilizer or stump remover, or be made into pottasium nitrate from it, like they did during cival war. but you are saying it can be made into phosphorus?
this stuff sounds like a chemical gold mine.
this stuff sounds like a chemical gold mine.
87elky383
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wouldnt that be bone meal? the contaner read 12-0-0 12% nitrogen made from porcin (swine) blood bud had trace metals mainly zinc
qst42know
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If you insist on doing it the hard way it can be done.
"It is the oxidising (oxygen-supplying) component of gunpowder. Prior to the large-scale industrial fixation of nitrogen (the Haber process), a major source of Potassium nitrate was the deposits crystallising from cave walls or the drainings of decomposing organic material. Dung-heaps were a particularly common source: ammonia from the decomposition of urea and other nitrogenous materials would undergo bacterial oxidation to produce potassium nitrate.
Historically, nitre-beds were prepared by mixing manure with either mortar or wood ashes, common earth and organic material such as straw to give porosity to a compost pile typically 1.5 metres high by 2 metres wide by 5 metres long. The heap was usually under a cover from the rain, kept moist with urine, turned often to accelerate the decomposition and leached with water after approximately one year. The liquid containing various nitrates was then converted with wood ashes to potassium nitrates, crystallized and refined for use in gunpowder."
"It is the oxidising (oxygen-supplying) component of gunpowder. Prior to the large-scale industrial fixation of nitrogen (the Haber process), a major source of Potassium nitrate was the deposits crystallising from cave walls or the drainings of decomposing organic material. Dung-heaps were a particularly common source: ammonia from the decomposition of urea and other nitrogenous materials would undergo bacterial oxidation to produce potassium nitrate.
Historically, nitre-beds were prepared by mixing manure with either mortar or wood ashes, common earth and organic material such as straw to give porosity to a compost pile typically 1.5 metres high by 2 metres wide by 5 metres long. The heap was usually under a cover from the rain, kept moist with urine, turned often to accelerate the decomposition and leached with water after approximately one year. The liquid containing various nitrates was then converted with wood ashes to potassium nitrates, crystallized and refined for use in gunpowder."
Oz would be a good one to elaborate further on qst2know's answer as he has attempted this from what I gathered in another thread.
To elk,
Blood meal and bone meal both work, as both contain significant quantities of phosphate. Bone meal is obviously preferred as it contains calcium phosphate, but blood meal will have phosphate present as well (think BPG).
Traditionally, putrefied urine was used for the synthesis of white phosphorus; today however, most of it is made using a mixture of sand, aluminum powder, charcoal, and a phosphate of some sort--all fused at very high temperature. The phosphorus distills over.
To elk,
Blood meal and bone meal both work, as both contain significant quantities of phosphate. Bone meal is obviously preferred as it contains calcium phosphate, but blood meal will have phosphate present as well (think BPG).
Traditionally, putrefied urine was used for the synthesis of white phosphorus; today however, most of it is made using a mixture of sand, aluminum powder, charcoal, and a phosphate of some sort--all fused at very high temperature. The phosphorus distills over.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,3-Bisphosphoglycerate
Lou is this the BPG you refer to ?
this is getting far from gold.
although I guess the man trying to change urine into gold was also off subject when it glowed in the dark. :shock:
Lou is this the BPG you refer to ?
this is getting far from gold.
although I guess the man trying to change urine into gold was also off subject when it glowed in the dark. :shock:
Yeah I tend to get off topic easily. Coincidentally, I was just looking at some white phosphorus chunks yesterday!
Anyway, the answer still remains an emphatic "No" to making nitric acid from blood meal. I won't argue that it can't be done, but I will argue that it is much more of nuisance than anyone would ever or should ever have to undertake.
Anyway, the answer still remains an emphatic "No" to making nitric acid from blood meal. I won't argue that it can't be done, but I will argue that it is much more of nuisance than anyone would ever or should ever have to undertake.
qst42know
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Compost is far more valuable in the garden than in the beaker. :lol:
