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jimdoc said:
This is mainly a precious metals refining forum.
Sounds like you are already in over your head with those quantities, and asking what you are asking.
There may be people here to give you some advice, but be patient.


Hi jimdoc

I understand that it is a precious metals forum here. People would be more interested in extraction of silver or antimony from solder.
But what I am seeking here is quite rudimentary. I hope there are people out there on this forum who might be able to help me out. I just want to learn to refine my product and need help with it.
I have been using sulphur, activated carbon, agitation, filtering using a big metal sieve techniques.
But unable to get desired results. These methods were suggested by some people in the same line of work as me. But they too do not have much knowledge about the chemistry involved here.

Thus I am trying to seek help from people who actually know what they are doing and can help me out.
I want to learn. I want to apply it to the problem I am facing.
 
The solder is paste/solid form or both? Is it feasible to make it dry powder? does it contain organics?
 
Lino1406 said:
The solder is paste/solid form or both? Is it feasible to make it dry powder? does it contain organics?


The solder is in solid form i.e dust, bars, wires, slabs, slag waste, etc. but all are solid. It is high in impurities and have traces of other metals as I have mentioned earlier and that is what I need to refine to get 99.99% purity of solder.
(The paste is separate from solid we keep the batches entirely separate and the solid solder is not mixed with the paste.)

What do you mean by organics? please elaborate so that I can answer your question better.
 
If the state is powder, or small particles, aqua regia will dissolve constituents other than Pb, Sn, Ag which will make a white sediment as PbCl2, SnO2, AgCl. Extract Ag or leave it. Convert to oxides with NaOH. Water rinse, dry and melt with iron nails, coal, sand etc.
 
Lino1406 said:
If the state is powder, or small particles, aqua regia will dissolve constituents other than Pb, Sn, Ag which will make a white sediment as PbCl2, SnO2, AgCl. Extract Ag or leave it. Convert to oxides with NaOH. Melt with iron nails, coal, sand etc.


The solder is not in powder form. A part of it is. But majority is in the form of solid solder sticks, bars, slabs. Weighing from 2kg to 25kg each.
I can melt it in liquid state. I have the equipment for that. But dont know how to convert it into powder form.
Pls suggest accordingly.

P.S
My main aim is to get purified solder. I want to remove other metals with least expensive method. Even if I am unable to recover the other substances its not a thing to worry about. My main objective is to make 99.99% pure solder at least possible cost.
 
In order to sell solder today it cannot have any lead in it in order to be RoHS compliant.

Your plan to remove everything except the 65% tin and 35% lead to make solder to sell needs work.
 
rickbb said:
In order to sell solder today it cannot have any lead in it in order to be RoHS compliant.

Your plan to remove everything except the 65% tin and 35% lead to make solder to sell needs work.


I am ready for the work involved. I am just trying to learn to be able to fully understand the processes involved. Please teach me how can I refine it.

In our domestic market the solder containing lead is accepted for use.
For now, i do not intend to sell internationally, so the RoHS compliance is something I need not worry at the moment. It will come at a later stage when I intend to expand beyond the domestic market.

Also, can you shed some light as to what is the chemical composition of RoHS compliant solder? How is it made?
 
I don't think your solder is "contaminated". There are lots of different varieties of solder for different purposes. That is what you should be looking into, to make all these different types.
Or separating the lead and tin for reloading purposes.
 
jimdoc said:
I don't think your solder is "contaminated". There are lots of different varieties of solder for different purposes. That is what you should be looking into, to make all these different types.
Or separating the lead and tin for reloading purposes.

I agree it is not "contaminated". My choice of words might be wrong here. But it was only to suggest what I intended to do.
Please help me out here.
What are the possible solutions you can think of?

I will begin trying out the possible solutions on a small sample first and post the images and the final result of each procedure.
I am greatly thankful to have found this forum and I hope I will be able to find and learn a lot here.

Thanks again everyone.
 
My first time, she and I were both about 14 or 15 and..................

My first time working with gold, chemically, was in purifying a large gold electroforming bath in a company I worked for, 52 years ago. The 50 gal gold bath ran 4 tr oz per gallon and was used to electroform gold slip rings about 1/8" thick. It was a cyanide solution and the gold itself was added in the form of PGC, KAu(CN)2. Today, the bath would cost about $300K. Back then @ $42/oz, it was about $10K. The slip ring base was a potted resin and, since it took about 24 hours of plating to get that thickness, organics would leach from the resin and would contaminate the bath. Before I started there, they would make up a fresh one every couple of months and have the old one refined. Of course, they got screwed on the refining and had to pay the PGC premium on the gold. It was expensive. I discovered that by evaporating down about 1/4 - 1/3 of the bath every couple of weeks, the PGC, having a much lower solubility cold than hot, and with the other chemicals in the bath having a quite high solubility, I could precipitate about 90-95% of the PGC in a very pure form. The remaining PGC in solution was sent out for refining. All in all, it saved a lot of money.

I've already discussed this at least a couple of times. My first time refining was at another company I worked for, still in my 20's. Half the building was the largest gold refinery W of the Mississippi and the other half made up the Western Division of the largest seller of PM plating solutions and equipment in the world, at that time. I was the head chemist for both, although I had never refined an oz of Au in my life. The refinery had a Wohlwill gold purification set up, but, because of too much impurities building up in the solution, they were having trouble getting the 99.99% Au purity that they had to have to be able to use the refinery gold in making PGC for the plating baths they sold. At that point, there were having to buy, at a premium, 4N Au on the open market. My 1st thought was to add a certain form of EDTA, as a liquid, to the solution to chelate the metal impurities and prevent them from co-depositing. I took a sample and added a little EDTA to it. To my disappointment, all the gold dropped out!

However, after thinking about this for the rest of the day, I saw the possibility of a new method of refining gold. I experimented for 2 or 3 weeks and came up with a viable production method. During that time, I sent quite a few samples out for a full spectro analysis and every sample I sent out came back at least 4 Nines. We scrapped the Wohlwill cell and started producing nothing but 4 Nines gold in the refinery using my process. The only problem was that, if the refiners didn't follow the process to a tee, the solution was guaranteed to foam over, big time. After another couple of weeks with a lot of foamovers, I fine tuned the process, retrained the refiners, and all went smooth after that, with only an occasional foamover. I would guess that, in the 4 or 5 years they used it, about half a million oz of 4N Au was produced. The company was bought out by Occidental Petroleum and they soon destroyed it. I think it ended up being owned by Ford before it failed completely.
 
paras_gupta08 said:
Also, can you shed some light as to what is the chemical composition of RoHS compliant solder? How is it made?

It is made without lead, that's all. Tin/silver, tin/copper, tin/antimony, etc.
 

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