CW Ammen

[Absolutsecurity]

I to like to joke and play around with friends to and that's what I was doing, just happy it didn't get out of hand like the other posts of late!!!!! LoL!!!!!!

Thanks Harold!

PS:

Been out with the Flu from hell for the past WEEK - so all my batches are parked and waiting for me to return to finish them - that's why I haven't been posting that much and why I haven't been around as usuall.

Glynn

 

[Harold_V]

Very sorry to hear about the flu. So many of the people here have suffered with it.

So far, Susan and I have avoided being infected. From the sound of things, I think I'm well pleased. Recent reports (evening news) indicate the scientists missed their call this year, producing a vaccine that didn't include the proper strains of flu. Makes me feel better about not getting the shot, which I have yet to do, ever.

Get well!

Harold

 

[Absolutsecurity]

Harold,

Myself , Maria and both our sons were inflicted simultaneously!

The whole household came to a halt. I too have never had the flu shot so good thing I didn't get the wrong one !

How do they know what flu is going to be going around?????

Wow way off course on these post - we should pm or go to chat!

Take care and I hope nobody gets this flu!

Glynn

 

[Harold_V]

Harold,
Myself , Maria and both our sons were inflicted simultaneously!The whole household came to a halt.

Man, that's real ugly. It's nice when at least one person is able to take care of the little things-----like preparing a meal, assuming any of you had an appetite!

How do they know what flu is going to be going around?????

Damned if I know, but I think it's a matter of making observations of what's been happening, and hoping for the best. Near as I know, it's a crap shoot. Problem is, it takes the better part of a year to prepare the vaccine, so they can't do much about it if they missed the call, like this year.

Wow way off course on these post - we should pm or go to chat!

As far as I'm concerned, while it doesn't pertain directly to refining, it is a subject of general interest----particularly when so many are afflicted. Lets leave it here for others to contribute, or perhaps gain a little insight. Now if we were talking about last night's game, it sure shouldn't be here.

Harold

 

[Absolutsecurity]

Well Im goin to the Doctor tomorrow! Wish me luck!

LOL!!

G

 

[jimwig]

Ammen's book is an excellent book. it is hands on and the best. he worked for years in the metallurgy business and everything in there is the word.

when i found his book some twenty years ago about 95% of my questions were answered on the spot. it is extremely well organized.

unfortunately my copy has disappeared.

as far as being too technical - think about what we are talking about. his descriptions are not college level theory. they are hands on.

the current version is a second edition. available thru interlibrary loan at all participating institutions.

get it and read it. and come back and give (us) me your take.

 

[yvonbug]

I have had Ammens book since 1989. I especially like the way he wrote out all the wet plans and the master plan. Those were great! Myself, after having just read Hoke's book, I think they are both good, (but I still like Ammens book more). Harold, if you still haven't read Ammens, and it doesn't matter that you are not refining anymore, I think you'd really like it just for a nice read. Or maybe I'll make copies of his Master wet plan and e-mail it to you. You'll find it basic and interesting, I think.-y-

 

[Harold_V]

I've not made a secret of the fact that I have not read Ammen's gold refining book. Fact is, I've never even seen a copy. I have several of his books that pertain to foundry work, so I have a general idea of his writing style. I am neither for nor against his refining book. I can't assume a given posture when I have not read the book.

I have no qualms with anyone that prefers one book over the other. All I can do is relate my personal experience, which was having a desire to learn to refine. When I encountered Hoke's book, it solved all my problems. The information contained within was adequate to allow me to found a commercial refining service, although that was not my intention. If the information in Ammen's book could do likewise, certainly, go with it.

The important thing to consider is that if a person is interested in learning refining, buy one or the other. Unless any given reader is proficient in chemistry, and understands the principles involved in refining, I find it more than inconvenient to try to help when they don't have enough initiative to do some simple reading.

Said another way, I'm more than happy to teach an individual how to fish, but I refuse to give them a fish.

This comment is not directed at anyone in particular, but readers in general. Society is filled with people that believe that they are entitled to anything and everything. I don't agree. If they are not willing to earn their way, I don't care if they don't arrive at their destination. Buying a book that teaches processing methods is one way you can earn the right to ask questions of those that have knowledge. Meet us half way!

Another comment on Ammen's book. I had been refining for some time when I first became aware that his book existed. I could see no reason to make the purchase when I was already successfully refining not only gold and silver, but platinum and palladium. I was more than happy with the results I achieved. My quest was to refine, not to endlessly research. I left that for those that yearned to re-invent the wheel.

Harold

 

[Scott2357]

Y,

Maybe you would like to make Ammen's book available for download?

 

[yvonbug]

I wasn't suggesting that you do more research, Harold, I just thought you might find some of it interesting. sorry

I think that's a good idea to make it a download. I probably need to get a flat scanner first, cuz I don't want to tear my book apart. Since I've been wanting one for some time, I guess this is a good reason to get it now. So, as soon as I learn how to do it, I'll make it a download. So now I'm in pursuit of a scanner.

 

[Harold_V]

I wasn't suggesting that you do more research, Harold, I just thought you might find some of it interesting. sorry

Oh :!: ----Not directed at you, yvonbug----just commenting in general. I had something to say about Ammen's book much earlier and wanted to clear the air.

While I don't have much spare time, I would enjoy reading what you suggested. If you can conveniently forward the information to me, it would be welcome.

Harold

 

[jimwig]

there's not a lick of math in Ammen's books. not to mention no calculus. he is IMHO a down to earth scientist communicating in layfolk's speak.

but i have been wrong before.

i have had the first edition since at least the eighties - but now it is gone with the rest of everything else i used to own......ohwell.

 

[goldsilverpro]

I do have his first edition. Does anyone have both? Is his 2nd edition better? In what ways? The 1st edition is much more applicable to miners than it is scrappers.

 

[Platdigger]

I have his second edition. He does make some reference to "scrap" in this one.

In fact in the very beginning of the first chapter he describes the so called "barrel method".

Which is really close to Steves method of HCL/CL.

And he suggests this being a very good method for electronic scrap.

In this, bleaching powder is used (chlorinated lime). Or just "bleach".
And oxidized with sulphuric acid.
Randy

 

[goldsilverpro]

Very interesting. I may buy it. That "barrel method" rings a bell. I recall it as a chlorine method from a century ago.

 

[Shaul]

I have the book (1984) in DjVu Format.

Anyone interested?


Shaul

 

[Scott2357]

Post away Shaul !

 

[Shaul]

Unfortunately, the system doesn't recognize DjVu.

If I succeed in converting it to pdf I'll try again.

Shaul

 

[Shaul]

The digital copy I have was originally scanned 2-pages across so that the 328 pages comes out as 169.

In DjVu format the file is 3.31 MB. When I tried converting it to pdf, it came out a whopping 83.7 MB (totally out of the ballpark for anyone with a dialup connection). Besides, I don't particularly care for the print quality in the converted (pdf) copy.

Also, DjVu isn't in the 'Allowed Extensions' List. It's unfortunate because DjVu viewers are easily downloaded from the internet.

If anyone has a better idea, I'd be open to it.

Shaul

 

[lazersteve]

Shaul,


Do you need some web space to post the book? Let me know and I'll get the book and see if I can convert it with my Adobe professional.

Steve