dangerous process

[freechemist]

Hello ericrm,

Life itself is a very dangerous process, because of it's permanent inherent 100% risk of dying. - Should we therefor block access to life to every newcomer (baby), demanding him, to collect every information possible first about dangers and risks, he will encounter in his future life?

freechemist

 

[ericrm]

im waiting to have babys on my own ,i think i wouldnot be fair to kill the babys of other poeple ... but if your willing to put the price i might start a "too late" abortion clinic :shock: :twisted:

 

[niteliteone]

i might start a "too late" abortion clinic :shock: :twisted:

Sorry Smith & Wesson already did that one :shock: :lol:

Tom C.

 

[kuma]

Hello all , how are tricks?
I hope that all are safe and well! :mrgreen:

Life itself is a very dangerous process, because of it's permanent inherent 100% risk of dying. - Should we therefor block access to life to every newcomer (baby), demanding him, to collect every information possible first about dangers and risks, he will encounter in his future life?

That's pretty much along the lines of my thinking there Freechemist , :|
To quote a line from one of my favourite films of all time ( Flight of the Navigator , :lol: ) , " If you want to learn to swim , you have to jump into the water ".
As a child , I was fortunate enough to have proffesional swimming lessons , and I was still a strong enough swimmer even as a tenager and after many , many ciggies and beers , to pass my army fitness swimming test at the age of 18 , but only just.
Let's just say that had I never had those swimming lessons , but I still decided ( I still decided ) that I was competent and skilled enough to jump into that same water fully clothed and weighed down , but without those swimming lessons , I'm not too sure that I would have finished my final lap of that pool , it was a pretty long and deep pool , and I'm pretty sure that I would have sunk.
The only thing that would have possibly kept me afloat in that situation would have been the actual , physical , presence of experienced and qualified instructors.
Unfortunatly the presence of experienced and qualified instructors around us 24/7 is not , and cannot , be a reality for 99.99% of us , and personaly I'm grateful for any and all of the swimming lessons that I have recieved here on this forum , it's what keeps us afloat , as it were.
If you screw up once or twice I suppose that's fair enough , but if your screwing up enough to the point where you feel that your health is in danger , and maybe that of others also , maybe it's just that your not taking your own saftey seriously enough , or maybe your rushing and skipping things , like saftey gear?
Just a thought chief , but in my personal view there's more than enough good , no , GREAT , saftey information and advice on this forum alone , let alone the rest of the web , to help keep all of us safe and point us in the right direction , just follow it to the 'T' and I fully trust that all will be well.
Granted , the universe has a way of cocking things up for us occasionaly , but by implementing certain practice and proceedure we can greatly reduce , if not eliminate , these risks.
I appolagise if I may have seemed a little out of order here , but this seems fairly obvious to me , I can't mix cement , so I don't lay drive ways , common sense tells me not to. :roll:
All the very best , kind regards ,
and above ALL , stay safe! 8)
Chris

 

[kuma]

" Wet Ashing ".
This is something that I had not ever heard of , even here , before I wrote my post above.
" Wet Ashing " was mentioned on a thread today that I had started about my first attempt at recovering gold wires frim I.C.'s using pyrolyzation , and I must be honest that I had no idea what it was all about until now ( I have much reading and catching up to do! :shock: ).
This seems like a prime example to me , anybody who would even think about trying this procedure without propper experience and equipment would be asking for trouble by the sounds of it , so my advice still stands ;
If you want to learn to swim , jump into the water by all means , but for heavens sake , don't do so without having the propper lessons and gaining the propper experience and equipment before hand! :idea:
Again , wishing everybody all the best , and wishing even more that everybody stays safe ,
Chris

 

[SilverNitrate]

I guess there is a reason why dangerous chemicals are regulated to keep the general public from acquiring them. Just this year a law passed for Jan 2012 that buyer identification is needed to purchase acids and corrosives. The general public doesn't fully understand how to handle such reagents including muriatic acid for pool sanitation. I attended a technical institution for chemical engineering, and even some former classmen and faculty are reluctant to try precious metal refining.
Someone may post a process online which could be dangerous or safe, but should always be treated as dangerous process no matter if its routine and published in chemical abstracts. I got flamed here for posting a way to seperate gold using IPA, to me its routine but am well aware of the danger and have the facility to handle.

 

[joem]

Eric You are right. Looking out for someone's safety does not limit what they can do in life.
Kuma you are right too. That is one of my favorite movies.

 

[Ikie]

hello
i am very new to this and i have to say the main reason i joined this forum is due to the warnings
. its obvious to me that the posters on this sight have a vast understading of the topic and its safety issues.
some common sense on the part of the reader should be expected.
i have yet to read a single thread here or any where else for that matter that doesnt express the dificulty and dangers of the refining process. in fact it is what is makening me learn more about it. if a person chooses to ignore these warnings then how can anyone but that person be responsible.
i was hoping to avoid the chemical process all together and simply smelt my scrap and refine it that way and i havent givin up on that . its obvious to me that before i would consider other methods i would consider the effects those methods will have on me and the enviroment and deal with those conditions first , common sense.
if you could simply wring the gold out then we would all be refining and gold would probably be worthless. i am having troubles figuring out how to navigate this sight as far as what are the articles i want to find and read all i seem to get is these chat threads any help
ike

 

[nickvc]

Ike welcome to the forum.
I'm sorry but there is no way to refine precious metals without chemicals, lose the fear of chemicals we are surrounded by them everywhere in the bathroom, kitchen, garden even in food and drinks, respect them and understand what they are, what they do and what happens when you combine them.
Read the safety section on the main board and download C.M.Hokes book, it's free off many members signature line, it's written so that even I can understand the chemistry,just. Go to our own lasersteves site and watch his videos and download and read the forum handbooks.
It's all here, it's free but you have to read and study..
To find any topic or thread use the search function top right of your screen or use the one on Steves site which is better and keep reading the new posts and threads it ilk make sense if you read Hoke.
If after reading you don't want to refine then simply collect and sell, there's posts on what to look for and where to sell, but do yourself a favour and read, the more you know the greater the rewards.

 

[patnor1011]

First and the most important thing is to know what you have. People tend to over value their material or ore and believe to what they want to believe. To know real value can save you time and money. Sampling, testing and assay are the most important before you will start to imagine how to spend your virtual fortune or thinking about career change. I am still at my old job even that I am doing this (recovery and refining) for nearly 3 years. You cant get rich in a week or month.

 

[lazersteve]

Ikie,

Check out the Guided Tour link below.

Steve