For sale Ultrafine Copper powder

[Yggdrasil]

Trolls have no place in a forum or the moderators should not allow trolls - decency and respect should be self-evident. I have advertised a serious product as a serious supplier and I was immediately accused of possible fraud and more ... and the moderators have given free rein to the trolls. This is not proper.

In every forum there are serious participants who are in a specific topic and by chance read an offer from another area, where they know someone in the network who might be interested and make this person aware of the offer. Gold has to do with mining, copper powder too. There are also gold traders who trade not only in gold but also in other commodities, sometimes also in the goods we offer. Exactly for this reason I had offered a commission in case of a successful mediation ... with each other, together, in cooperation one often gets further and then all who have made an effort should also profit.

First and foremost, this is a refining forum.
As such we are more or less under constant attack by scammers, spammers and what not.
So whenever someone comes to the forum and do not exhibit full openness on their products, the red flags goes up.
This in turn often causes some members to react and at times maybe over react.

This situation could have easily been avoided by giving enough information in the beginning.
Another thing that puzzled me was that you asked us to name a price, in stead of the usual and list a price you would accept.

Now as you have given the specifics of your product, I agree with 4metals that your product may be a serious overkill for our purpose.
It will work and it might even be superb, but way to expensive for most, if not all of us.

 

[billgold]

If you are so honest, why are you still posting like a scammer? You appear to be the only troll here.

 

[Martijn]

There are cars and if you compare the cars in detail there are many differences which affect the price, exactly the same with ultrafine copper powder - it requires expertise to find the correct product for the correct use and it is not enough to just Google any information and throw it in the room and insult reputable businessmen.

Ultrafine copper powder differs greatly in price, this is due to the complex processing. To obtain ultrafine copper powder like ours, which can be used for medical purposes and in the aerospace industry, for example, the particle size must not be larger than 1 µm, the particles must be approximately round and the purity must be at least 99.999%. To produce one gram of this powder, more than a quarter of a ton of copper is needed, and a lot more in solutions, catalysts and additives. The most expensive part of this process is the equipment needed to produce it. The finer the particle size and the higher the purity, the higher the price.

The demand for ultrafine copper powders is growing in line with miniaturization in many areas:
1. Electronics manufacturers
Companies involved in producing electronic components, such as printed circuit boards, flexible electronics, and RFID tags, may use UCP in conductive inks and pastes for their manufacturing processes.
2. Research institutes and universities
Academic and research institutions that focus on material science, nanotechnology, and chemistry may require UCP for research purposes, laboratory experiments, and development of novel applications.
3. Catalyst producers
Companies that manufacture catalysts for chemical reactions, particularly in the petrochemical, pharmaceutical, and automotive industries, might use UCP due to its high surface area and catalytic properties.
4. Battery manufacturers
UCP may be of interest to manufacturers of next-generation batteries, such as solid-state and lithium-sulfur batteries, where it could potentially improve energy storage capabilities and performance.
5. Nanotechnology companies
Businesses involved in the development and production of nanomaterials, nanocomposites, and advanced coatings may require UCP for their products.
6. Specialty chemical companies
Firms producing specialty chemicals for various industries could use UCP as an additive or component in their formulations, leveraging its unique properties.
7. Metallurgical and powder metallurgy companies
UCP can be used as a sintering additive in metallurgical processes or as a filler material in metal matrix composites, so companies in these fields may be interested in purchasing UCP.
8. Medical and pharmaceutical companies
UCP may have potential applications in drug delivery systems, diagnostics, and medical imaging, making it potentially valuable to companies in the medical and pharmaceutical sectors.

Well that is a nice piece of impressive text. You must either be Mr Sven Köksal (Linked in page) Demystifying the Ultrafine Copper Powder Market: Buyers, Price Factors, Purity Levels, Applications, and more
Demystifying the Ultrafine Copper Powder Market: Buyers, Price Factors, Purity Levels, Applications, and more
or from Prosura because that whole text literally came from those sites.
https://www.prosura.ch/ENG/ultrafine-copper-powder.htmlPlease refer to your sources. Sven?

As you state to be reputable, please do share asked information. Shurely there is no harm in that?

To compare your offer to the sale and pricing of a car, at least i know who I'm buying it from.

The linkedin page contains even more text!
Very interesting.
He is working in blockchain implementation.

 

[GoIdman]

You insult, insinuate and ask provocative questions, no more and no less. No matter what your motives are, we do not care.

Real buyers know the difference of the goods and also the difference in prices, it is not our job to tutor you or to answer your provocations.

Only so much to your question because of the positions 2) and 5) ... it is not only the purity but also the quantity and the location of the goods which are important for a buyer, because one product is in the EU the other is not and this is for buyers / dealers quite relevant, because this has tax technical background.

On further provocations on your part we do not react any more and for interested buyers we are available with pleasure for further information.

Hi,

Just an ideea of why all these "silly" questions are important from the members, before we rush to buy your product.
The people on this forum are representing various fields of interest, from mining to recovery and refining PM`s, with a combined experience of probably a few hundred years, therefore they saw a lot and worked a lot with many new technologies. Beside that, we all try to inform ourself by learning every day something new to stay in race with current processes and technologies.

That being said, the only thing you have done is trying to convince us to buy your product, by "any means".

You say "...Ultrafine copper powder differs greatly in price, this is due to the complex processing. To obtain ultrafine copper powder like ours, which can be used for medical purposes and in the aerospace industry, for example, the particle size must not be larger than 1 µm, the particles must be approximately round and the purity must be at least 99.999%. To produce one gram of this powder, more than a quarter of a ton of copper is needed, and a lot more in solutions, catalysts and additives. The most expensive part of this process is the equipment needed to produce it. The finer the particle size and the higher the purity, the higher the price.....

The demand for ultrafine copper powders is growing in line with miniaturization in many areas:
1. Electronics manufacturers
Companies involved in producing electronic components, such as printed circuit boards, flexible electronics, and RFID tags, may use UCP in conductive inks and pastes for their manufacturing processes.
2. Research institutes and universities
Academic and research institutions that focus on material science, nanotechnology, and chemistry may require UCP for research purposes, laboratory experiments, and development of novel applications.
3. Catalyst producers
Companies that manufacture catalysts for chemical reactions, particularly in the petrochemical, pharmaceutical, and automotive industries, might use UCP due to its high surface area and catalytic properties.
4. Battery manufacturers
UCP may be of interest to manufacturers of next-generation batteries, such as solid-state and lithium-sulfur batteries, where it could potentially improve energy storage capabilities and performance.
5. Nanotechnology companies
Businesses involved in the development and production of nanomaterials, nanocomposites, and advanced coatings may require UCP for their products.
6. Specialty chemical companies
Firms producing specialty chemicals for various industries could use UCP as an additive or component in their formulations, leveraging its unique properties.
7. Metallurgical and powder metallurgy companies
UCP can be used as a sintering additive in metallurgical processes or as a filler material in metal matrix composites, so companies in these fields may be interested in purchasing UCP.
8. Medical and pharmaceutical companies
UCP may have potential applications in drug delivery systems, diagnostics, and medical imaging, making it potentially valuable to companies in the medical and pharmaceutical sectors. "

Question 1) Do you see on the above list any field which works in the "Recovery and refining precious metals from electronic waste"? What is the use of it in OUR field of interest?

Question 2) If your product is so high demand, why are you trying to shove it down our throat? Even if we buy some, it will never be 47tonnes. Those industries from the list are your buyers, not us.

Question 3) Just out of curiosity, you say "...To produce one gram of this powder, more than a quarter of a ton of copper is needed, and a lot more in solutions, catalysts and additives....". Are you for real? What happens to the other 249,999 Kg of material? 1 ton of fine copper is worth 7949 USD at the LME, that means if you have 47tonnes, it results 47*7949=373603 USD worth of material. Do you see any opportunity in that?

"You can piss against the wind, but it is not advisable."

Pete.

 

[goldshark]

Hi,

Just an ideea of why all these "silly" questions are important from the members, before we rush to buy your product.
The people on this forum are representing various fields of interest, from mining to recovery and refining PM`s, with a combined experience of probably a few hundred years, therefore they saw a lot and worked a lot with many new technologies. Beside that, we all try to inform ourself by learning every day something new to stay in race with current processes and technologies.

That being said, the only thing you have done is trying to convince us to buy your product, by "any means".

You say "...Ultrafine copper powder differs greatly in price, this is due to the complex processing. To obtain ultrafine copper powder like ours, which can be used for medical purposes and in the aerospace industry, for example, the particle size must not be larger than 1 µm, the particles must be approximately round and the purity must be at least 99.999%. To produce one gram of this powder, more than a quarter of a ton of copper is needed, and a lot more in solutions, catalysts and additives. The most expensive part of this process is the equipment needed to produce it. The finer the particle size and the higher the purity, the higher the price.....

The demand for ultrafine copper powders is growing in line with miniaturization in many areas:
1. Electronics manufacturers
Companies involved in producing electronic components, such as printed circuit boards, flexible electronics, and RFID tags, may use UCP in conductive inks and pastes for their manufacturing processes.
2. Research institutes and universities
Academic and research institutions that focus on material science, nanotechnology, and chemistry may require UCP for research purposes, laboratory experiments, and development of novel applications.
3. Catalyst producers
Companies that manufacture catalysts for chemical reactions, particularly in the petrochemical, pharmaceutical, and automotive industries, might use UCP due to its high surface area and catalytic properties.
4. Battery manufacturers
UCP may be of interest to manufacturers of next-generation batteries, such as solid-state and lithium-sulfur batteries, where it could potentially improve energy storage capabilities and performance.
5. Nanotechnology companies
Businesses involved in the development and production of nanomaterials, nanocomposites, and advanced coatings may require UCP for their products.
6. Specialty chemical companies
Firms producing specialty chemicals for various industries could use UCP as an additive or component in their formulations, leveraging its unique properties.
7. Metallurgical and powder metallurgy companies
UCP can be used as a sintering additive in metallurgical processes or as a filler material in metal matrix composites, so companies in these fields may be interested in purchasing UCP.
8. Medical and pharmaceutical companies
UCP may have potential applications in drug delivery systems, diagnostics, and medical imaging, making it potentially valuable to companies in the medical and pharmaceutical sectors. "

Question 1) Do you see on the above list any field which works in the "Recovery and refining precious metals from electronic waste"? What is the use of it in OUR field of interest?

Question 2) If your product is so high demand, why are you trying to shove it down our throat? Even if we buy some, it will never be 47tonnes. Those industries from the list are your buyers, not us.

Question 3) Just out of curiosity, you say "...To produce one gram of this powder, more than a quarter of a ton of copper is needed, and a lot more in solutions, catalysts and additives....". Are you for real? What happens to the other 249,999 Kg of material? 1 ton of fine copper is worth 7949 USD at the LME, that means if you have 47tonnes, it results 47*7949=373603 USD worth of material. Do you see any opportunity in that?

"You can piss against the wind, but it is not advisable."

Pete.

We live in some crazy times. People buy/bought bit coin, even though it is backed by a 1 Troy Oz. coin of Au, only. The value perceived by others has put the value of Bitcoin at $28,180 US, today . Others have put a huge value on Fungible assets. For people who are not familiar with these, they could be a picture of a donkey. But everybody who buys into it agrees there is a value to it. It could be done with nano Copper as well. All legal. While I am more of a realist than a b.s.er, I would not buy into such a (don't want to call it a scam), so lets call it a financial deal. In todays world, it may turn out to make a sound financial investment in the short, or long term, who knows. The one thing I will say, is Ultrafinecp is certainly a salesman, out hitting the bricks hard. I just don't think he will make many sales here, mainly due to like minded individuals who prefer tangible assets over fungible assets.

 

[user 72798]

First and foremost, this is a refining forum.
As such we are more or less under constant attack by scammers, spammers and what not.
So whenever someone comes to the forum and do not exhibit full openness on their products, the red flags goes up.
This in turn often causes some members to react and at times maybe over react.

This situation could have easily been avoided by giving enough information in the beginning.
Another thing that puzzled me was that you asked us to name a price, in stead of the usual and list a price you would accept.

Now as you have given the specifics of your product, I agree with 4metals that your product may be a serious overkill for our purpose.
It will work and it might even be superb, but way to expensive for most, if not all of us.

In the ad there are 5 items of goods and in each of them a kilo costs less than a kilo of gold - in one of the items the kilo even costs only 10% of a kilo of gold. In comparison, the goods offered by us is significantly cheaper than gold. If someone can afford gold then he can only afford our offer. Customers who need the goods also know what to use the goods for and what the goods cost - less than gold.

 

[cejohnsonsr1]

Most everyone I know is trying to get rid of copper. If copper is needed for other aspects of refining, like cementation, it’s available and cheap at any hardware store. The kind of “ultra fine” powder referenced in the article isn’t produced by any amateur or hobbyist in a home lab. It costs that much to buy because it costs almost that much to produce. Unless you’re building something along the lines of a space telescope or a quantum computer, you have no need for it and you probably couldn’t positively identify it by any method available to the amateur or hobbyist.

 

[Yggdrasil]

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Even if it cost less than buying Gold, it do not matter.
We are for the most part refining, not trading.
So that means that if we buy your product to cement the Gold, that will eat all our profits and then some.
Luckily we do not need the fineness of your product, a slab of bus bar will do.
Still, I wish you luck in your endeavour.

 

[kurtak]

Luckily we do not need the fineness of your product, a slab of bus bar will do.

I actually prefer using 300 mesh copper powder for cementing PGMs over that of using a copper slab

Both work (when properly done) but I prefer the copper powder for PGMs

With the copper powder I tend to get more complete cementing of the PGMs in less time with less copper contamination of the final cemented product

Kurt

 

[fiquett11]

some info from the internet: Ultrafine Copper Powder marketplace.

Why Ultrafine Copper Powder is the investment product of the future?​

Ultrafine and high purity Nano Cu Powder cost from $1,800 up to $5,000 per 1 gram, depending on the purity and size. Therefore ultrafine Cu Powder is one of the most expensive elements in the world. No matter how it is created primarily for Space programs used to produce a W-Cu bimetal composite and partially for medicine for cancer diagnoses and treatment, it’s a well-known fact that large banks are the biggest buyers due to its extreme and stable value. They use it as collateral and as an investment instrument, same as gold or bonds. Based on these and all other facts, ultrafine and high purity nano Cu Powder is for sure an investment product.
As there is no open market for such a highly valuable material, we have decided to create a common ultrafine and nano CuPowder market by providing a blockchain enabled cryptocurrency trading platform with all time secured pysical underlying asset. CUPRUM Coin, the Cryptocurrency of the Future. In this way, we have made it possible for everyone to trade with this extremely valuable material. Trade CUC/USDT on WhiteBIT exchange.

Abracadabra to me. banks like it because of its high and steady value.

The lines I've marked with underline and bold print are making the OP's post even stranger imo.

How is it so valuable? Being that, ultra fine copper is quite abundant if you know what to look for.. I suppose. Have not heard of this. Care to elaborate? Thanks

 

[Martijn]

How is it so valuable? Being that, ultra fine copper is quite abundant if you know what to look for.. I suppose. Have not heard of this. Care to elaborate? Thanks

It's very expensive to make, you need expensive machines to make it and to make sure the particle size is correct and within spec. then 249.999 kilo's are used to make one gram he claims. that is not very efficient. what they do with the rest, no idea.
This is a high-end lab grade product for space technology and aviation.
it is not something we refiners use or need, as said we can not even determine if the particle size is within spec. Fine copper powder from the stockpot can be rinsed until fairly clean and used to cement out values fast. You will still need to get any copper out after that, so some other stockpot basemetal powders are not that much of a problem, imo.
If time is not the big issue, you can use a solid piece of copper, and have less copper traces in between your cemented values to process.
I see no application for it in our field of work.

 

[kurtak]

It's very expensive to make, you need expensive machines

Not really - you can make a metal powdered atomizer relatively cheap - as explained in this thread --------

https://goldrefiningforum.com/threads/is-it-possible-925-sterling-silver-powder.30689/


Kurt

 

[Martijn]

Not really - you can make a metal powdered atomizer relatively cheap - as explained in this thread --------

https://goldrefiningforum.com/threads/is-it-possible-925-sterling-silver-powder.30689/


Kurt

Trying to make sense of this, is it some kind of banking bubble crypto trick? Then why so expensive? There must be a difference. Right?
From that article:

Ultrafine and high purity Nano Cu Powder cost from $1,800 up to $5,000 per 1 gram, depending on the purity and size.

By the way, the OP edited all his posts into a period.
Not sure why, but the whole context is gone now. Delete thread? Explain forum rules to OP?

 

[galenrog]

Trying to make sense of this, is it some kind of banking bubble crypto trick? Then why so expensive? There must be a difference. Right?
From that article:

By the way, the OP edited all his posts into a period.
Not sure why, but the whole context is gone now. Delete thread? Explain forum rules to OP?

Time to ban the OP and delete the thread?

Time for more coffee.

 

[Yggdrasil]

The OP has asked for a deletion of his user.
Reasoning is that we feed the Trolls and in fact more or less are the Trolls.
I'll revert his posts until further decisions are made.

 

[4metals]

Having re-read this thread it is clear the OP never made any attempt to link us to a corporate website through which he can be contacted. If he is legit that is an easy bar to clear. Selling copper for more than gold is a great gig if you can pull it off. Maybe in some other industry but not refining. I am glad he decided to delete himself, saves us the trouble.

 

[galenrog]

The OP has asked for a deletion of his user.
Reasoning is that we feed the Trolls and in fact more or less are the Trolls.
I,ll revert his posts until further decisions are made.

Good to see replies in context. Thank you.

Time for more coffee.

 

[fiquett11]

Trying to make sense of this, is it some kind of banking bubble crypto trick? Then why so expensive? There must be a difference. Right?
From that article:

By the way, the OP edited all his posts into a period.

Having re-read this thread it is clear the OP never made any attempt to link us to a corporate website through which he can be contacted. If he is legit that is an easy bar to clear. Selling copper for more than gold is a great gig if you can pull it off. Maybe in some other industry but not refining. I am glad he decided to delete himself, saves us the t

time and energy to get very little. I vote no

 

[fiquett11]

The comments above..said that" crypto bit" term.... So I am curious if any of you partake in this.. Crypto,bit, nft stuff? Totally off subject . Personally, I don't know how to take it seriously. Oh.. and thank you wonderful people for being part of keeping the BS off the Internet. I wish I had found this forum sooner

 

[goldshark]

While this reply probably belongs in the thread of making fine powder, I am too lazy to go back to it and post it there. Maybe the Moderators will move it, or just delete it.
Why not take a water jet cutter, and with a slow feed rate, produce the desired size powder to their requirements. Particle size will be dictated by the feed rate of the Sterling bar stock. Perhaps this is how the original posters process is achieved, leaving the 99.99% waste, which of course is just folly, as it will be ultimately consumed for product. A water jet facility would probably be willing to try it for a fee. The cleanup before and after, will be the most expensive component. Should somebody on this forum actually need atomized product.