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steyr223

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Just curios
Dont get much news (real news) of whars going on
They say 14000 deaths in america already? Dont know.
I watched a broadcast on the storage tanks used to house the sea water they pump through the 1 that whent bad to cool it down and you can see the thousands of tanks from space they cant keep up .
Soon if not already they will have to release the water back in the ocean
I am sure they will lie

What country do you come from and what does your news tell you

Thanks steyr223 rob
 
the Japanese are going to spend billions of dollars to build whats called a "frozen earth containment cell" around the whole plant. they will run tubing up to a half mile deep and in a full circle around the effected area and then set up continuous pumps to pump a coolant through the pipes. this will freeze the ground water (and thus the earth) around the plant preventing any more radioactive water from leaking into the ground water. its been done before but not on that scale. the pumps will have to pump continuously for the next several hundred years.
 
I somewhere read that their are "hotspot's" where radiation assemble together in one spot, aperently their are a lot of towns/cities in Europe near nuclear reactors where the Geiger counter gives a higher count than in Fukushima Daiichi. :shock: And not" ***ashima"
 
Thanks geo
Now is that just the(3 i think)that are going to be temporary fixed or all of the rods
Or are the rods a whole different problem

They we're talking about how the Japanese would try to move I think 1500 Rods and if only one of them touch the other it would send the whole place critical

And the weather ,1 good typhoon,
I wonder how secure their new system will be

9kuuby9
Apparantly in Europe they must have the right attitude or is it just to small to make headlines.
Any 3 eyed children being born :shock:

Thanks steyr223
 
steyr223 said:
Thanks geo
Now is that just the(3 i think)that are going to be temporary fixed or all of the rods
Or are the rods a whole different problem

They we're talking about how the Japanese would try to move I think 1500 Rods and if only one of them touch the other it would send the whole place critical

And the weather ,1 good typhoon,
I wonder how secure their new system will be

9kuuby9
Apparantly in Europe they must have the right attitude or is it just to small to make headlines.
Any 3 eyed children being born :shock:

Thanks steyr223
Seems like a lot of things are too small to talk about these days, but, it seems to me that's how we got where we are now.
 
I hate to say this but from what I understand the whole situation has been kept in the dark for far too long. I've heard rumors it's still leaking as of a two months ago, contaminated fish have been caught and sold, U.S. navy personnel are coming forward with cancer related illnesses. Products built in Japan are being rejected because of radiation levels. There has also been suggestions to to nuke the site and incinerate it into "nothingness". I personally don't try to watch main stream media, I will from time to time but rather get a different perspective on whats really going on. It really is an unfortunate event that will have a ever lasting effect on us all. Some good will come from it but what those people had to endure is horrific and I would never wish something of that nature on any living soul.
 
It.is definitely ashame but i believe all of
Us will emdure the same sometime very soon

I think in the past this is where mother earth says enough
And a natural catastrophe occurs

Of course thats probaly not before our government sends another Tsunami towards japan

Steyr223 rob
Sometimes you just got to look up and say really!
 
Well this is an interesting topic. There's one thing that nobody tells you in the US.

In the event of a world catastrophe and loss of power, for example one of these doomsday viruses or anything like that, there will be no US within a few months because all the reactors will firstly go into failsafe, and after the generators run out they will all go into meltdown and effectively nuke the whole eastern seaboard. The fallout will take just a couple of months to cover the whole country.

It's not just the US of course it's worldwide but I mention the Us in the context of the thread.

So forget all these post apocalyptic survival programs on TV - we'll nuke ourselves worldwide without firing a weapon.
 
That is and always has been one of the greatest fears of playing with fire. An emp or large enough asteroid potentially could do that. Some countries have already started reducing their dependency on nuclear power as a result of the disaster in Japan but others are increasing because of coal related issues. What I don't understand is why Japan has so many when they are in an area that is highly active with earthquake activity. That truly is beyond me.
 
most people in the US don't even know how many nuclear reactors we really have that are active

I found a website that showed in the 100's
Not just the three ithat were greatly advertised

Sheep all sheep bahabaha
Steyr223 rob
 
http://www.cfact.org/2013/10/12/physicist-there-was-no-fukushima-nuclear-disaster/

A couple of the more interesting facts:

"Firstly let us get something clear. There was no Fukushima nuclear disaster. Total number of people killed by nuclear radiation at Fukushima was zero. Total injured by radiation was zero. Total private property damaged by radiation….zero. There was no nuclear disaster. What there was, was a major media feeding frenzy fuelled by the rather remote possibility that there may have been a major radiation leak."

"Amazingly the thousands of people killed by the tsunami in the neighbouring areas who were in shops, offices, schools, at the airport, in the harbour and elsewhere are essentially ignored while there is this strange continuing phobia about warning people of ‘the dangers of Fukushima.’ We need to ask the more general question: did anybody die because of Fukushima? Yes they did. Why? The Japanese government introduced a forced evacuation of thousands of people living up to a couple of dozen kilometres from the power station. The stress of moving to collection areas induced heart attacks and other medical problems in many people. So people died because of Fukushima hysteria not because of Fukushima radiation."

"Recently some water leaked out of the Fukushima plant. It contained a very small amount of radioactive dust. The news media quoted the radiation activity in the physics measure of miliSieverts. The public don’t know what a Sievert or a milliSievert is. As it happens a milliSievert is a very small measure. Doubling a very small amount is still inconsequential. It is like saying: “Yesterday there was a matchstick on the football field; today there are two matchsticks on the football field. Matchstick pollution has increased by a massive 100% in only 24 hours.” The statement is mathematically correct but silly and misleading."
 
http://m.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/03/12/japan-may-soon-dump-hundreds-of-thousands-of-tons-of-radioactive-water-into-the-ocean/

Sure go ahead and sweep it under the carpet. Obay your teachers folks, and remember your government's and politicians would never lie to you. Let's just let them dump what ever they want into the ocean. We wont be around long enough, and who really cares about the future generations....
 
I'm not even going to justify that dumb article and to say that no one has died or is going to die from it is absurd.
 
Just remember corruption at every level(he who controls the media can make the world
Believe anything)
It is commonly believed tbere are 2 groups ,those who are for
And those who are against, Or the yes and no ,you could even say good and bad
But i had a customer show me there is a third group always envolved but is never seen

2 of these groups even tho they may oppose each other is actually guiding all of us to the third.

Nobody is to be trusted :mrgreen:

Thanks for all input
Steyr223 rRob
 
Dr Kelvin Kemm is the CEO of Nuclear Africa, a nuclear project management company based in Pretoria, South Africa.

Yeah he doesn't have any special interest in hiding the truth.Everything is just fine, the sky is blue and the birds are chirping. Oh and there's no kids in Africa using mercury to get gold from their electronics. That's just a myth too, I hope you can see my sarcasm in full force here.
 
I will start a fundraiser to pay for 2 week long vacation on Fukushima coast for this south african good doctor. This holiday with all inclusive locally produced food & drinks will be perfect opportunity for him to observe and experience zero effects of radiation on human body. That will include first class plane tickets too.
 
I totally agree patnor. I'll pay for his shorts and sandals personally out of my own pocket. He can hang out at the site, it would be like a beach party. There's no need for protective gear because the disaster never happened.
 
I have worked as a chemist my entire working career my interest in this is solely from a scientific fact perspective. However I am an advocate of nuclear power as I think it is part of the ultimate solution to our global warming problems. Fukushima has thrown a large monkey wrench into the debate over nuclear safety and because of this I happen to have read on this issue heavily and may be able to offer my opinion on this issue from my little corner of the world.

First off there is radiation all over the Pacific Ocean, some undoubtedly is from the Fukushima accident and some remains from nuclear testing done many years ago and some rises up naturally from deep within the core of the earth. But there are many types of radiation and they all exhibit something called a half life. What a half life is, is the decay of a radioactive atom giving off radiation as it works its way to a stable form where radiation is no longer emitted. Every atom that is a potential source of radiation has a specific half life, or the time it takes for the atom to give off half of its radiation. The studies done of radiation in the oceans are looking for cesium-134 and cesium-137 as both were given off in the Fukushima event. The thing is the cesium-134 has a half life of 2 years, cesium-137 stays around much much longer. If they were to find cesium-134 it is a definite smoking gun and Fukushima would definitely be the culprit. So while they have detected some radiation it is all cesium-137 and they have yet to detect any cesium-134. If the source were Fukushima, they would detect both.

Then there is the fact that the levels detected are well below the EPA drinking water standards anyway. The beautifully colored charts I have seen show an ominously colored cloud working its way across the Pacific as it leaves its traces of radiation in its wake. If you look further you can see that the units of these graphs are a unit called a Becquerel which is a measurement of radioactive decay per second typically per cubic meter of water. The EPA puts the drinking water limit for this radiation at 7000 something Becquerels, the graphs are showing this cloud moving along and the concentration is a low of 7.5 and a high at 100. Don't get me wrong, the EPA number isn't something I would be using for shower water should it approach the 7000 limit but even at 100 Bq/M3 is less than 1.5% of the EPA limit. The EPA is NEVER that far off.

In addition to the effects of the water borne radiation you should check out something much closer to home which is called the Denver Dose. It turns out that Denver Colorado has a particularly high natural radioactivity emitted from naturally occurring uranium in the rock. People living in Denver get an extra dose of 300 millirem per year. Figures reported from Fukushima were using the units of millisieverts so using the same figures the good people of Denver get a dose of 3 millisieverts per year just from living in Denver. After the Fukushima disaster, newspapers reported levels of 1 millisievert per year and considered that a hot spot. 1 millisievert is in excess of what required mandatory evacuation from Chernobyl. But the odd thing is that the good people of Denver have a lower cancer rate than the average city in the US. So what does that 1 millisievert mean? I am a science guy, I believe in data, good data from reliable sources which can be scientifically verified. The Denver dose is an example of what everyday Americans that we can relate to live with every day with no apparent effect. And there is a long standing background of analytics to back this up. Unfortunately policy and regulatory levels can be made up of hype which cannot be backed up with good science.

This is one of those topics that newspapers love to print but the reality of it is that the real issue with nuclear power plants is what to do with their waste. The releases at Fukushima were largely from the spent nuclear waste storage that lost its supply of cooling water. Here in the US we have spent billions of taxpayer dollars developing Yucca mountain to deal with the waste and have since come up with every reason under the sun not to use it. We should use the best available science to find a safe way to store this type of waste and a way to transport it there and allow the nuclear plants to be built to produce power with no carbon emissions. The science supports nuclear as a green alternative, the sensationalists, well they just piss me off!
 
Very well written 4metals, I totally agree with you and have advocated nuclear power as the best source of large scale power production to combat global warming for years.

I'm living in an area where some fall out from Chernobyl ended up. For many years we measured the cesium in fish, mushroom, reindeer meat and berries to keep track of the levels. It turns out some living thing concentrates the cesium so for a long time we didn't pick mushrooms, but now everything is back to normality again.
When the measurements started scientists also discovered that there was a large amount of cesium left by the atmospheric testing of nuclear bombs, we had already lived through a period of high background radiation. (Atmospheric testing ended in 1963, Chernobyl blew up in 1986)

It was really interesting to learn about the Denver effect, didn't know that.

Göran
 
Thank you 4metals. That was refreshing. A sensible, non media driven, non hyped up look
at the facts. Refreshing indeed! 8)
 

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