Thanks Björn. I had only looked at the link 4metals provided about the critters. I hadn't scrolled up to Geo's post as it was over a year old.solar_plasma said:
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rickbb
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solar_plasma said:
Used to be the kind of thing the Boy Scouts taught. At least that's where I leaned it.
solar_plasma
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rickbb said:
Boy scouts were too much boy scout like in my eyes, when I was a kid. I had a handbook of the german army, the US Armed Forces Survival Manual by Boswell, all of Rüdiger Nehberg's books (the old baker who sailed in a nut shell from Africa to Brazil....the yanomani-man, you know), a forrest near my home and a 70km small river not too far - so, that was all I needed...the time in the german army was kind of put the finishing touch to it
I to learned those country boys skills. My father and family was my influence and learning experiences. It's not the job of the government to teach my child anything, but the basic educational skills and even that should be the responsibility of an engaged parent! It's not the teachers job to teach my kids social norms and discipline, or anything else. I should have taught them those skills and THEN if they step out of line you have my permission to bust their ***. I'm a big supporter of teachers, but it's not their job or place to teach my children how to act and think, or anything else. Their job is hard enough as it is.
Here's something i pointed out to someone the other day. My kids get up and go to school which starts at 8am and get out at 3pm. Then they come home, do their chores, homework, supper, and bath before bed. Out of an average day your child is with his teacher 7 hours and with you maybe 4 hours total for you to be an influence in his or her's life. Those are strong numbers for the influence others will have in you child's life over you. Sometimes with the right person that can be a good thing. I still remember and admire my high school science teacher Mr Burns, god rest his soul. But get the wrong person or curriculum and it's a recipe for brainwashing your child to conform to social norms that may not always have you or your child's best interest at heart. Lets not even talk about outside influences like social media and these kids lost in their iphone's, wii's, ipads, and t.v. because their parents all want electronics to be their baby sitters so they don't have to be hassled with their kids.
Kids are a handful!
Here's something i pointed out to someone the other day. My kids get up and go to school which starts at 8am and get out at 3pm. Then they come home, do their chores, homework, supper, and bath before bed. Out of an average day your child is with his teacher 7 hours and with you maybe 4 hours total for you to be an influence in his or her's life. Those are strong numbers for the influence others will have in you child's life over you. Sometimes with the right person that can be a good thing. I still remember and admire my high school science teacher Mr Burns, god rest his soul. But get the wrong person or curriculum and it's a recipe for brainwashing your child to conform to social norms that may not always have you or your child's best interest at heart. Lets not even talk about outside influences like social media and these kids lost in their iphone's, wii's, ipads, and t.v. because their parents all want electronics to be their baby sitters so they don't have to be hassled with their kids.
Kids are a handful!
Grelko
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solar_plasma said:I had a handbook of the german army, the US Armed Forces Survival Manual by Boswell, all of Rüdiger Nehberg's books (the old baker who sailed in a nut shell from Africa to Brazil....the yanomani-man, you know), a forrest near my home and a 70km small river not too far - so, that was all I needed...the time in the german army was kind of put the finishing touch to it
I bet those books were alot of fun to read. The one that I've been slowly going through "besides Hokes and others on here", is the Peterson Field Guides "Edible Wild Plants" for Eastern/Central North America. I have alot of other books on re-building furniture, carpentry, electrical, mechanics, chemistry (which I should read to help me here) plus others.
I grew up mostly playing out in the woods building treehouses etc for years. I was in boy scouts for a couple years also. My grandparents were the "old school" farmers that basically made everything on their own, canning foods etc. My parents are the "jack of all trades" type, so I learned plumbing, electrical, cars, gardening, sewing and other stuff from them.
Times have definitely changed for most kids. I gew up in the hills and hollers of middle Tennessee and was always in the woods. I couldn't imagine growing up indoors playing video games and such and not gaining the education nature provided for me.
From the ages of 9 or 10 and up our parents thought nothing of my little brother, our buddy, and myself staying gone for days at a time. They knew we were in the woods and could handle it. I doubt many kids could or even would do that any more.
Some basic survival should definitely be taught in school, though I doubt it ever will. The year I graduated high school, I loaded a good back pack and hit the woods. Stayed gone for 2 and 1/2 months. Just to make sure I could. Some of the best times of my life!
I tell that to kids now and they look at me like I'm crazy. One of my sons friends actually asked how much money I took with me to buy food with! Maybe I am a little crazy, but I wouldn't trade all that time in the woods for all the gold in the world!
From the ages of 9 or 10 and up our parents thought nothing of my little brother, our buddy, and myself staying gone for days at a time. They knew we were in the woods and could handle it. I doubt many kids could or even would do that any more.
Some basic survival should definitely be taught in school, though I doubt it ever will. The year I graduated high school, I loaded a good back pack and hit the woods. Stayed gone for 2 and 1/2 months. Just to make sure I could. Some of the best times of my life!
I tell that to kids now and they look at me like I'm crazy. One of my sons friends actually asked how much money I took with me to buy food with! Maybe I am a little crazy, but I wouldn't trade all that time in the woods for all the gold in the world!
Grelko
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Palladium said:
I don't have any kids yet and I agree with this 100%. I have a small story to add.
A teacher was telling some parents that their kid was acting up in class. The teacher wanted them go to a psychiatrist get their kid put on medication.
I'm thinking, that the little guy is only like 8 years old, let him be a kid, of course he's going to act up, he barely even knows what being alive is, let alone all the rules in life.
The real story is, that the little guy was actually me when I was back in 2nd grade and the teacher said I was the class clown. My parents were real upset when the teacher said that I needed to be medicated. Even after all this time I still never "grew up". I can act like it when I need to, but If you would see me at the beach, I'd probably be sitting there building a sand castle or looking at rocks. I was actually at Goodwill yesterday, playing around with a plastic sword that I found on the shelf :lol: I found a microscope there also 8)
When I have kids someday, NO ONE is going to tell me how I should raise them.
UncleBenBen said:
This got me laughing for a couple minutes :lol:
The way the world is now, is SO much different than it used to be.
solar_plasma
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The main problem is, that most countries do not prioritize the education sector, instead they use the money to nurse the war industry and the banksters.
The best methods, the best education experts and the best material should never be a question of money. Further the education of teachers is much to short, mostly around 4 years. I think 8 years would suffice. Classes should be really small. The work of teachers is no way easier than the work of a medical doctor, if done perfectly, but the education only lasts half as long. A study showed, that teaching is as stressing as the work of fighter pilots and flight controllers - evidenced on hard measurable data.
Our children are the best and most valuable we have, why in world do we not treat them like this, when it comes to the sector that covers more time with them than their own family.
The best methods, the best education experts and the best material should never be a question of money. Further the education of teachers is much to short, mostly around 4 years. I think 8 years would suffice. Classes should be really small. The work of teachers is no way easier than the work of a medical doctor, if done perfectly, but the education only lasts half as long. A study showed, that teaching is as stressing as the work of fighter pilots and flight controllers - evidenced on hard measurable data.
Our children are the best and most valuable we have, why in world do we not treat them like this, when it comes to the sector that covers more time with them than their own family.
If people are educated they can be hard to control.
They may be able to think for themselves and see through the smoke and mirrors.
Just my opinion on our education systems.
They may be able to think for themselves and see through the smoke and mirrors.
Just my opinion on our education systems.
I think you just nailed it Butcher! (glad you enjoyed the chuckle! It made me kind of sad that a 16 year old could be so clueless!)
My boy just graduated from high school this past year. The curriculum I saw being taught from about his 6th grade year on was nothing short of pathetic. It was painfully obvious to me that it was all designed in a way that would guarantee that even the most illiterate, lazy kids would pass.
That in turn would skew the numbers and make it appear that the schools were doing a lot better than they actually were. And why?
Money. The better the test scores "appeared" the more money the schools could bring in. Despite the fact that the kids haven't learned squat.
It gets my blood pressure up to think that when I was in high school in the 90s the US was near the top in the world in public education. Now we've slid to the bottom in such a short tme. All thanks to our corporate school systems and the love of fake money.
My boy just graduated from high school this past year. The curriculum I saw being taught from about his 6th grade year on was nothing short of pathetic. It was painfully obvious to me that it was all designed in a way that would guarantee that even the most illiterate, lazy kids would pass.
That in turn would skew the numbers and make it appear that the schools were doing a lot better than they actually were. And why?
Money. The better the test scores "appeared" the more money the schools could bring in. Despite the fact that the kids haven't learned squat.
It gets my blood pressure up to think that when I was in high school in the 90s the US was near the top in the world in public education. Now we've slid to the bottom in such a short tme. All thanks to our corporate school systems and the love of fake money.
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UncleBenBen said:
You can thank the public school system for that.
rickbb
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Barren Realms 007 said:
Yes, you can thank all the top down required tests and other hoops schools are required to jump through to keep their funding, (federal and state levels). Instead of learning something, just teach them the min needed to pass those tests.
One of the reasons my daughter gave up teaching, she wasn't allowed to teach the subject, she had to teach the tests to keep the politicians off her back.
Grelko
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UncleBenBen said:
This would be the part of the thread where I should really stop typing, before I accidently get into some "conspiracy theory" debate and probably get a warning :lol:
But on that note, did you happen to notice, that ever since we've started talking about the school systems, that there is a random google ad, that pops up at the bottom about "homework help" and the name of the other member that just so happens to be in here the same time I am. :lol: :mrgreen:
