Dang! :shock:snoman701 said:
They don't look like that at my scrap yard! :lol:
How to Make a Profit Refining Precious Metals - VIDEO
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They don't look like that at my scrap yard! :lol:
As far as i can tell the mans making money and is happy with it. I have no problems with him posting video's even if he does make money off it. He has contribute both in video as well as longgggg drawn out post where he has documented step by step his results. He contributed a lot of time, effort, and money into educating others who may follow after him. I have many video series on Youtube that run 10-12 hours a series. Take it from me it's a lotttt of effort and work. I shot my video's kind of down and dirty compared to Kevin's concise and well put together video's. We've has Steve sale video's and stuff on the forum. Chris sales a ebook of his. Patnor sells an ebook. Lino1406 sells his ebook. Some people buy or sell here on the forum or offer refining services. It's definitely a platform that promotes montinization. Why would his video's be any different.
The only thing i'm waiting for is him to write Sreetips across his forehead !!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
The only thing i'm waiting for is him to write Sreetips across his forehead !!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
kurtak
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First off - another GREAT video Kevin :!: 8) :mrgreen:
Jon - not sure why you are having a problem with the fact that Kevin is making some money off his YouTube video's - after all they are very well made & informative & they are FREE to all members of the forum just like anything else posted here to the forum :!:
The money Kevin makes from his video's is an "indirect" result of posting them to YouTube
We just get the benefit (for FREE) of Kevin providing us with a link to them from the forum - which in my opinion is a good thing because I log on to the form "every day" which gives me a direct path from the everyday discussion about refining here on the forum to his well made video's about "refining"
And again - it's all FREE to the members here --- in other words - he is NOT making money off the forum members - but rather is making his money off of his hard work making the video's - then posting them to YouTube for which YouTube pays him as a result of the time & effort he puts into making them
So I just don't see the problem Jon - after all - Keven has been providing us with his "very well" made video's for as long as you & I have been members of this forum --- in other words Jon - in the spirit of this forum - Kevin has/is passing on the information he has learned from the forum so others can learn from the forum & he has been doing it for a LONG time now
Kevin - I just want to thank you again for your "many years" of "contributing" to this forum with your MANY "well made" videos
Kurt
Jon - not sure why you are having a problem with the fact that Kevin is making some money off his YouTube video's - after all they are very well made & informative & they are FREE to all members of the forum just like anything else posted here to the forum :!:
The money Kevin makes from his video's is an "indirect" result of posting them to YouTube
We just get the benefit (for FREE) of Kevin providing us with a link to them from the forum - which in my opinion is a good thing because I log on to the form "every day" which gives me a direct path from the everyday discussion about refining here on the forum to his well made video's about "refining"
And again - it's all FREE to the members here --- in other words - he is NOT making money off the forum members - but rather is making his money off of his hard work making the video's - then posting them to YouTube for which YouTube pays him as a result of the time & effort he puts into making them
So I just don't see the problem Jon - after all - Keven has been providing us with his "very well" made video's for as long as you & I have been members of this forum --- in other words Jon - in the spirit of this forum - Kevin has/is passing on the information he has learned from the forum so others can learn from the forum & he has been doing it for a LONG time now
Kevin - I just want to thank you again for your "many years" of "contributing" to this forum with your MANY "well made" videos
Kurt
cosmetal said:
I'm wondering how she maintains those nicely manicured hands while digging all of this stuff.
I'd watch a video on that.
I can't believe how messed up my hands are after taking apart a pallet of computers. The paint chips, the fingernails tear...and I haven't had stain free hands in years.
kurtak said:
Just a pet thing of mine Kurt. I've stood up and said what's on my mind, better out than in. Most don't agree with it but hey ho life goes on mate. Hope you're getting on well with your silver.
Jon
Angry Grandpa was pulling down around 20k a month from his youtube videos at the time he died. Kevin's gotta do Kevin, nobody else will. lol, no pun intended.
I see no resulting adverse effect on the forum from the videos Kevin puts up. If anything, they help the people here who are willing to help a noob that may have learned something by watching one of Kevin's videos before coming here to ask a bunch of questions.
I see no resulting adverse effect on the forum from the videos Kevin puts up. If anything, they help the people here who are willing to help a noob that may have learned something by watching one of Kevin's videos before coming here to ask a bunch of questions.
By the, way wife designed the new thumbnail for this video - you can tell it has a woman's touch.
Palladium said:
I've got $100 that I'll give him if he gets it tattooed on there.
It's marketing genius...every person he passes on the street will google it, then watch one of his videos. And he's getting paid to get the tattoo done.
Whaddya say?
I did 20 years in the Navy and never got a tattoo. Then I got drunk one night in Austin TX down on 6th street and wondered into a tattoo shop and got one. No more tattoos for me, I learned my lesson.
I have been away working for the last few weeks and replying to this on an iPhone just wouldn't cut it.
I do appreciate Kevin's video's, they are well done and accurate. If Kevin is able to profit from the meager $ that You-Tube hits pay or You-Tube sponsorship, then good for him. I judge Kevin's video's by their content, which is accurate and easy to follow. I don't believe in counting other people's money, that can only lead to bad conclusions and eventually sticking your own foot in your mouth.
But the bottom line with this video is concentration of values. Karat scrap is essentially a concentrate and concentrates are less costly to upgrade than lower grade e-scrap. Think about it, jewelry is "graded" by karat. Which is essentially a gold concentration in percentage. Plumb 10 karat is 41,66%, plumb 14 karat is 58.33% and plumb 18 karat is 75%. Percentage is another word for parts per 100. E-scrap is generally graded as parts per MILLION! A ton of e-scrap boards can run anywhere from 100 to 700 PPM. A part per million is one gram per metric ton. For a backyard refiner the difference in chemical consumption alone can be exponential. Picture the chemistry required to wet a metric ton of material to generate between (100/31.103=3.215) 3.215 ounces and (700/31.103=22.5) 22.5 ounces of gold. With karat gold the same quantities of gold can be refined in 1 to 6 liters of acid. And that difference, in a nutshell, is why karat is the go to scrap that all refiners dream about.
But Kevin's other point, about buying the scrap for the right price, is something that must be considered a little more. Everybody, from the guy who pays for boards based on copper weight to the big smelter wants to get the best deal possible on their incoming feed. That is just human nature. The difference between e-scrap and karat scrap is it is much easier to quantify how much yield is expected in karat than in e-scrap. Even the semi refining that Kevin does by inquartation and parting gives him a good handle on the gold content by increasing the purity and eliminating the wiggle room that his buyer has. And the wiggle room is where the profits are made. On karat, there is a little wiggle room. In Kevin's example it is between .992 and .997 XRF reading of the purity of the bar he produces. But on e-scrap the wiggle room is huge. More like backflip room! That is why for years I incinerated boards and melted the copper based bullion into assayable bars before shipment. The key to profit in refining is in knowing what you have to ship as well as getting it for the right price.
So the bottom line is if you are set up to do it properly, you can make money with e-scrap. But if you are a small refining operation who always has to keep an eye on chemical consumption and waste volume, karat scrap is the way to go. But as Kevin pointed out, it also helps to have a skilled buyer keeping your refinery filled with work.
I do appreciate Kevin's video's, they are well done and accurate. If Kevin is able to profit from the meager $ that You-Tube hits pay or You-Tube sponsorship, then good for him. I judge Kevin's video's by their content, which is accurate and easy to follow. I don't believe in counting other people's money, that can only lead to bad conclusions and eventually sticking your own foot in your mouth.
But the bottom line with this video is concentration of values. Karat scrap is essentially a concentrate and concentrates are less costly to upgrade than lower grade e-scrap. Think about it, jewelry is "graded" by karat. Which is essentially a gold concentration in percentage. Plumb 10 karat is 41,66%, plumb 14 karat is 58.33% and plumb 18 karat is 75%. Percentage is another word for parts per 100. E-scrap is generally graded as parts per MILLION! A ton of e-scrap boards can run anywhere from 100 to 700 PPM. A part per million is one gram per metric ton. For a backyard refiner the difference in chemical consumption alone can be exponential. Picture the chemistry required to wet a metric ton of material to generate between (100/31.103=3.215) 3.215 ounces and (700/31.103=22.5) 22.5 ounces of gold. With karat gold the same quantities of gold can be refined in 1 to 6 liters of acid. And that difference, in a nutshell, is why karat is the go to scrap that all refiners dream about.
But Kevin's other point, about buying the scrap for the right price, is something that must be considered a little more. Everybody, from the guy who pays for boards based on copper weight to the big smelter wants to get the best deal possible on their incoming feed. That is just human nature. The difference between e-scrap and karat scrap is it is much easier to quantify how much yield is expected in karat than in e-scrap. Even the semi refining that Kevin does by inquartation and parting gives him a good handle on the gold content by increasing the purity and eliminating the wiggle room that his buyer has. And the wiggle room is where the profits are made. On karat, there is a little wiggle room. In Kevin's example it is between .992 and .997 XRF reading of the purity of the bar he produces. But on e-scrap the wiggle room is huge. More like backflip room! That is why for years I incinerated boards and melted the copper based bullion into assayable bars before shipment. The key to profit in refining is in knowing what you have to ship as well as getting it for the right price.
So the bottom line is if you are set up to do it properly, you can make money with e-scrap. But if you are a small refining operation who always has to keep an eye on chemical consumption and waste volume, karat scrap is the way to go. But as Kevin pointed out, it also helps to have a skilled buyer keeping your refinery filled with work.
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Hi 4metals. Feel free to move this to another thread or whatever. Do you know of any very small rigs to make nitric acid in the middle of nowhere out of air and water alone?. Using a little Platinum sponge as catalyst. I'm looking for a rig to make a few gallons of nitric acid per day. Something really small, not industrial.4metals said:
Have you heard of the existence of these things or did you wake up from a deep sleep thinking how handy it would be to have one?
What do you plan on using as the nitrogen source? Rigs with platinum catalysts use ammonia and high heat to capture nitrogen. Rigs without catalysts require cryogenics to separate the nitrogen out of air. Either way very hot or very cold both stretch the very small requirement.
What do you plan on using as the nitrogen source? Rigs with platinum catalysts use ammonia and high heat to capture nitrogen. Rigs without catalysts require cryogenics to separate the nitrogen out of air. Either way very hot or very cold both stretch the very small requirement.
Even if you have relatively pure nitrogen, there would still be at least another step to get the nitrogen oxide that you react with air to get the needed nitrogen dioxide, right?
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The industrial process is the catalytic oxidation of ammonia, like 4metals said. The production of gunpowder and explosives for war was the reason for development of the platinum group chemistry. I asked 4metals, because if there were small rigs to make nitric acid, he'd know for sure. I don't know how to make one, but I'd like to know if there is a way.
Wouldn’t it be easier to source nitrate fertilizer locally and use poor mans AR ?
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Air has Nitrogen and oxygen, water has hydrogen. If a small rig can be made, I'd like to learn. I have seen rigs for oleum SO3/H2SO4 that are relatively small. Cell phones did not exist 50 years ago, etc. I'm asking because maybe someone knows how to do it in small scale. The US Army did it in large scale for the war effort, because the nitrate mines in Chile were too far, and they needed more gun powder. It is a solved problem on large scale industrial. A curious mind wants to know. That's all. Not interested in ego battles. Peace.
Best bet to check sciencemadness.
Making money by buying right-
Reminds me of Hymie the jewish bartender at the local bar in Tel Aviv.
Hymie was known all over Israel for selling diamonds to engaged couples at cost. He sold more than anyone. One day someone asked. "Hymie , I gotta ask you, you sell all these diamonds at cost but every year you buy a new Cadillac and take 3- 4 trips overseas, how in the world do you do it ?
He replied , "Easy, I buy below cost! "
And that is the real story
Reminds me of Hymie the jewish bartender at the local bar in Tel Aviv.
Hymie was known all over Israel for selling diamonds to engaged couples at cost. He sold more than anyone. One day someone asked. "Hymie , I gotta ask you, you sell all these diamonds at cost but every year you buy a new Cadillac and take 3- 4 trips overseas, how in the world do you do it ?
He replied , "Easy, I buy below cost! "
And that is the real story
