Incinerated ICs running on shaker table

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kjavanb123

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All,

Steve from MBMMLLC just sent me a video, trying incinerated IC ash on their smaller shaker table, great recovery, I want to suggest to them to run equal amount of pulverized ICs atv smaller mesh size to compare with this result.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP2_l7SnyVo

Best regards,
Kj
 
Hi,

I have sent them another batch of pulverized boards to run on their smaller table which was features in this video, and once get the result analyzed, then make the decision and get their equipments.

Great shaker table and very progressive company they are.

Best regards
Kj
 
Kevin,

I'm very interested in this project. I've often wanted to try specific gravity methods on various items but I never had the right equipment to play with. I really wanted to try auto catalysts after reading those patents back in the '70s and '80s. If you can fine tune this to the point of desired profit, it could be very, very good. It's a no hassle way to do it if you can burn it right and keep it legal. You might do some more experiments with the unburned boards.

Weigh, weigh, weigh. Assay, assay, assay. Record everything.

- Do you have photos of the starting material? After incineration?

- Was that 20 pounds from your new Hammers or did you use a ball mill? Was the 20# the only fraction? If not, what do the other fractions look like and what are their weights?

If you do this right, I foresee lots of fire assays in your future. You could save much time and money by setting up to do your own fire assays. Best of all, you would have more control. For what you need, it would cost right at $5000. Extremely easy to learn (takes about 8 hours to learn enough to do it - 3 or 4 batches) with the right instruction. You also need your own table with all the bells and whistles.

In many ways, a fire assay setup is the money-makingest thing a refinery can own. Were I to start another refinery (I've been thinking about it), it's the first thing I would buy. With it alone, a source of almost any type of material, and a calculator, you can make money. Add a gas crucible furnace and a small fume hood and you can make more.
 
Chris,

Thanks for your support on this project. This 20lbs of incinerated ICs were not mine so I do not know the answers to your questions. But I am also interested in patents you read about catalytic converter PGM recovery using specific gravity. You can talk with Steve at MBMMLLC and arrange some tests according to those patents, they have a range of milling equipments as well.

I sent them a 6.660 kg of pulverized boards which I have taken a pictures and recorded everything to the teeth this time. Once it arrives there, he will run it on their 2x4 shaker table ( the one seen in this video) and dry the discharged concentrates, then record the weights and send them to the same lab we sent the first batch for analysis.

Based on the assay results and weight of each bag of last batch I prepared some files with all calculation for percentage of each metals that was discharged in each ports. Will be posted soon in my other thread.

If is possible can you point me to right direction to set up my fire assay lab? I have a small gas furnace and a medium size induction furnace, which I assume it is better to use induction to agitate the melt.

I mostly do these stuff for the science of it plus I want to be able to feel the precious metals in my hands it is a very addictive thing. Hopefully these expeirments get me closer.

Regards
Kevin
 
I'm just curious about the price of the shaker table. From what I've seen, it would appear to be several thousand dollars. I also wonder if there would be some easy and cheap way to build one on your own?

I have a blue bowl and a spiral wheel. Any idea as to whether they would be comparable?
 
I got a price quota from MBMMLLC it is $5500 for their smaller shaker table as seen in the link above, and $11,900 for their larger shaker table seen in my first post. You can build one yourself, but I just dont it would be as accurate in separating as these guys equipments.

Blue bowl or spirals from my understanding are used to clean up the concentrates from shaker table.

Best regards,
Kevin
 
kjavanb123 said:
Chris,

Thanks for your support on this project. This 20lbs of incinerated ICs were not mine so I do not know the answers to your questions.

Correct --- that was my material :mrgreen:

As far as what the starting material was - it was these chips :arrow: http://goldrefiningforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=20705#p212624

I just received the concentrates back "late" on Friday - they were still wet when I received them so put them on the hot plate to dry yesterday

I am in the middle of a couple other projects right now (about 8 pounds silver & recovery of some PGMs) so it will be a few days before I get to working on these concentrates which in turn will take some time to process

when I get it done I will report the yield & the details of the process

Kurt
 
Kurt,

Glad you gave shaker table a try. So are you going to prcoess the concentrates? My 14lbs of minus mesh 30 just arrived in the US, and should get to Steve shop soon, and hopefull try it with their 2x4 table.

Best regards,
Kevin
 
kjavanb123 said:
Kurt,

Glad you gave shaker table a try. So are you going to prcoess the concentrates? My 14lbs of minus mesh 30 just arrived in the US, and should get to Steve shop soon, and hopefull try it with their 2x4 table.

Best regards,
Kevin

Kevin

Yes I will be processing the concentrate --- but first I have to finish up a couple projects I have been working on while waiting for them to come back

One is a little over 8 pounds of silver which I just finished pouring my 4 two pound anode bars & am waiting for the silver on the hot plate to finish dissolving for making up my electrolyte - once I have the silver in the silver cell & running then I need to finish recovering some PGMs from some very dirty solutions & I also have some Pd that I dropped from some silver nitrate solutions that I need to reduce from the DMG/Pd precipitate to Pd metal which I think I am going to try doing a chemical (formic acid) reduction with instead of calcining

So it will be a week or so before I get to working with the concentrates - when they are done I will be posting yield along with details of the processing including at least some pictures

Kurt
 
I would send them some material too but shipping is way too expensive to even consider doing something like that.
 
patnor1011 said:
I would send them some material too but shipping is way too expensive to even consider doing something like that.

Pat

I am not sure if "running material" for people is actually what they do --- what they do is sell the equipment (mining equipment)

The reason they ran Kevin's stuff & my stuff was that it was gold barring material out side the norm of actual mined material so they were glad to run our material (for free) as a one time deal for (1) to see if the equipment worked with this type material (2) shoot a video of running it - which then gets used as advertisement to show that "see it will work for this to" & (3) as a first time provider of a different type material a possible sale of equipment to a customer

I actually have one more type material I talked to them about running in one of their hammer mill's --- I just need to get it dug out of my pile as I had to move everything into my storage barn for the winter & the barrels of material are now buried at the very back of the pile & I have not had time to do the digging

Kurt

Edit to say; & yes I am interested in the equipment - its just a question of figuring how & when I can fit it into a budget as there will be other equipment that will need to go along with it
 
Have you processed any of your material further that you sent them? What do you do with the concentrate? Incinerate?
 
72chevel said:
Have you processed any of your material further that you sent them? What do you do with the concentrate? Incinerate?

I answered your questions in the first & second post I posted in this thread :!: :roll:

Kurt
 
I sent them a 6.660 kg of pulverized boards which I have taken a pictures and recorded everything to the teeth this time. Once it arrives there, he will run it on their 2x4 shaker table ( the one seen in this video) and dry the discharged concentrates, then record the weights and send them to the same lab we sent the first batch for analysis.

I appreciate your work and postings on this method. I was just wondering if you plan to sell the concentrate as is? or process it further, if you are processing it further just wondering what steps you would take next?

I think I got kjavanb123 and kurtak mixed up I was asking Kevin about his pulverized boards, which is actually in a different thread. Sorry about that.
 
72chevel,

Thanks for your words. As of now I plan to remove tin, lead, and zinc using dilute hydrochloric acid, follow by rinses of hot water, then dissolve all the rest of base metals in dilute nitric acid, that should leave me with tantalum, gold, which can be dissolved in AR, drop the gold, and isolate the tantalum.

Nitric solution that contains palladium, silver, copper, I was thinking to use aluminum foils from aluminum capacitors to drop the copper from nitrate solution, precipitate silver as chloride, and palladium accordingly.

This new batch will give me some number as for the weight for each concentrates, and it will certainly uses a lot chemicals vs dissolving whole boards.

Regards
Kevin
 
using dilute hydrochloric acid, follow by rinses of hot water, then.. . ..dilute nitric acid

using dilute hydrochloric acid, follow by roasting, rinses of hot water, then.. . ..dilute nitric acid
 
Dannlee,

Thanks on that important note, roasting prior acid changes, more important when trying to get rid of nitric acid traces in materials, my impression was for hcl or sulfuric acid, couple of rinses with hot water would be sufficent.

Regards,
Kevin
 
kjavanb123 said:
Dannlee,

Thanks on that important note, roasting prior acid changes, more important when trying to get rid of nitric acid traces in materials, my impression was for hcl or sulfuric acid, couple of rinses with hot water would be sufficent.

Regards,
Kevin

You should roast/incinerate between acid changes regardless if its HCl to nitric or nitric to HCl to insure ridding traces of the first acid --- at least that is what I do & it is the way I understood Harold's advice 4 years ago when I first joined this forum - I have been doing it that way every since

Kurt
 
Kurt,

Thanks for the advice. I just got words from my brother in the US who recieved the bag containing 6.620 kg of pulverized boards, so hopefully this week Steve can run it on their 2x4 shaker table, record the weight of dried discharged materials and send them to the lab. The new assay result can assure us about how effective their tables are and whether to smelt the concentrates and sell them or refine them in house.

Kevin
 
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