Ahh I hate it when posts get amended without a note. 8)
anachronism said:Topher_osAUrus said:160g of silver is almost $6,300?!?
...man, looks like I'm selling my crystals for WAY too little! :lol:
Hey Toph it's 160g of gold mate
SLK you need to do more homework on your yield calculations because they are not realistic I'm afraid. Unless of course you are looking at taking a specific type of ewaste discretely and basing your figures upon that type of stream. The vast majority of ewaste yields less that 160ppm, and the vast majority doesn't contain Palladium.
In counterpoint I think your copper percentage may be low however the trade off between copper and precious metals will not balance out financially.
SLKInf said:anachronism said:Come on guys, destroy my business model! Give me like Shark Tank, make me cry because my idea is stupid, assumptions are flawed and I need to go back to work at McDonalds.
nickvc said:I have to say that Jon nailed the point, once you are in the hands of refiners you are at risk.
If you have no yield data you will be robbed and excessively it's the nature of the business, if you think you can beat the system with no knowledge it's going to be a very expensive learning curve before you finally find the real figures, assays are your friend but come with great expense for varied products and are only as good as the samples submitted.
SLKInf said:However one question for both you and Jon is, what about people like KJ who have built their own refining equipment for affordable prices? Certainly they may be smaller and unable to handle many tons per day, but couldn't there be a middle ground between investing millions in refining equipment or only doing dismantling and then selling the product to end refiners? Couldn't you dismantle and sell the majority of that output to refiners, but keep the known high PM content components like cpus and refine those ourself? Maybe I am confusing different things here and am totally off?
Sam
Just found this pdf from a German PCB processing that explains the process I mentioned here.
pcb-engl-03032015.pdf
E-waste processing
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Jason and I did some extensive tests on pulverized printed circuit boards, and their system had 86% recovery rate on gold and 90% plus for silver and palladium.
Perhaps you may be better served to first plan on building a test facility – do your test runs and get first hand data. I can tell you for a fact, if you are seeking outside financing (private or government) to have concrete data, personally acquired and documented, is very impressive and persuading.
Making a profit from said equipment over and above sending it to a refinery is a completely different proposition. What I have seen is people trying and ending up worse off financially.
This seems to be the consensus, thank you for the input guys. I certainly am not throwing any of this info away. This had been my initial expectation, typically it isn't a good idea to jump knee deep into technical processes that require lots of investment, with no experience or expertise. But I wanted to do more research on just how much that investment would be, crunch some numbers, and get yalls feedback.Get a few tons of material, shop around for refiners who will let you visit and sample, and get up close and personal with the methods being used.
Yessir, that is correct. LatAm labor is slightly different from socialist Europe (just joking, but seriouslyOne last thing: SLKInf you write in you post that 10 ppl for a month cost 4000 usd? Can this be right?
SLKInf said:Honestly I dont know. I dont inderstand it. Im going to follow up with some questions to clarify some things.
They did have a cool idea where they grind up crt glass and sell it to companies who use it to make bricks for xray rooms in hospitals. That was a really creative idea.